/ Drone Footage From Trango Climb
Lama and friends climbing on Nameless Trango, shot from a drone.
Far too short. Could have watched forever
gob-smacking; shots which may finally make mountains and climbing look interesting to joe public...
Awe-inspiring! Thanks for sharing..
Stunning and beautiful!
But I also can't push out of my mind that for many Pakistanis drones represent horror and terror
Incredible that the US gets away with doing this kind of thing.
Amazing footage, WOW!
Incredible footage. Does a Radio Controlled helicopter qualify as a 'drone' though?
Drone was probably not the best term for the OP to use for footage in Pakistan. The video says helicopter....
> Incredible footage. Does a Radio Controlled helicopter qualify as a 'drone' though?
why not, the drones you think of is a big RC plane.
The word 'drone' has so many sinister military connotations attached to it nowadays...
People fly model aircraft up the Braes near me sometimes. I don't think I'd say, 'nice drone, pal.'
> Incredible footage. Does a Radio Controlled helicopter qualify as a 'drone' though?
Yes, they're commonly called drones, though the more correct the term is UAV. It might be a bit unfortunate that this particular footage is in Pakistan, which currently has an issue with other types of drones.
And the ones doing jobs like this and causing some concern are a bit more than rc helicopters. Though toys are being used for recreational stuff, the trend is to more powerful purpose built craft, some costing over 10K.
Here in Australia - http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-21/drone-journalism-takes-off/3840616
Same in the UK: http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/02/23/unmanned-drones-set-give-defence-lift-amy-wilson-telegrap...
I must admit, regardless of what they're called by those in the know, I assumed this would be some sort of released military footage that happened to have caught the expedition on camera. Obviously the reailty was much better than that.
> People fly model aircraft up the Braes near me sometimes. I don't think I'd say, 'nice drone, pal.'
My neighbour has taken to building RC helicopters and planes. He's a total engineering geek which means his copter is amazing. He integrated a camera into it which relays a picture to his lap top meaning he can fly it out of sight (supposedly illegal in Finland) and we were chatting about how basically this made it a reconnaissance UAV. He could easily fly it up to your bedroom window for instance! I'm amazed if some paparazzo hasn't sussed this out yet. He bought some parts from US webshops and had to sign some export control papers because obviously the US govt. is interested in who is buying what. In the 2006 Lebanon war, Hezbollah got a home made (basically a hobby kit) UAV dozens of miles into Israel. Israeli air defences missed it, and it got shot down by sight eventually IIRC. It had no weapons on it, but I think they had put cameras on it. Some police forces also have access to them now in the UK - so much cheaper than a helicopter to use for surveillance or search missions.
It's a really interesting area where laws are changing and are going to need to change.
> The word 'drone' has so many sinister military connotations attached to it nowadays...
So should we not mention that people use a knife to cut their abseil tat when retreating off Ben Nevis in case people get upset about the connotations with knife crime in the dark recesses opf Fort William?
Sorry, can't be arsed to reply.
> Sorry, can't be arsed to reply.
A) Why not?
B) Then why have you?
A UAV means that it has some sort of autopilot system and can fly multiple waypoints (or 'missions') without user input. These are more tightly controlled by governments because you can imagine the implications of this.
FPV is more of a recreational activity of piloting an aircraft as if you were in the vehicle itself, hence the name First Person View. This has lately become very popular for people doing aerial photography/videography and is relatively easy to achieve.
In the last couple of years these 'Drones' (called that because it sounds a bit better than multicopter/quadcopter/hexacopter/octocopter) have become really popular and accessible mainly due to the advancements in mobile phone technology. They use a combination of gyros, accelerometers, magnetometers, altimeter and GPS to stabilise them. You can put together a basic model capable of lifting a small GoPro type camera for less than £200.
Once you start carrying bigger cameras and add more features the cost can soon sky rocket and can easily pass the £10k mark.
Here is a video that my friend made using his €7k Octocopter. It weighs in at about 7kg fully loaded.
In the first few seconds of the video, I can see that the pilot has a long range UHF radio control system hooked up to his transmitter. These systems have a range of over 20km. Equally the video system can easily transmit that distance using a directional antenna on the video receiver.
The limiting factor for these sort of aircraft is flight duration. At normal altitude you would typically get 10-15 minutes of flight time, but as efficiency will drop off at altitude I would be surprised if they managed much more than 5-7 minutes. Based on those sort of flight times I guess that the pilot was actually quite close by and certainly on the shots of them high up on the rockface, they must have carried the copter up with them and launched from a belay.
No problem. Exactly the point I was making. I really don't know what the fuss is all about. Extraordinary..... Obviously technologies can have both benign and malevolent applications.
Excellent! nice touch the climber slipping off at 01.41.
Not here in Australia there isn't.
"UAVs to be classified as either micro, small or large with separate rules applicable to each category
Micro UAVs are largely exempt from regulation while a small UAV may be flown by an unqualified person in certain conditions without any form of certification. A large UAV,on the other hand, is a de-facto manned aircraft and must generally be certificated and registered and its controllers qualified ..."
There have been several related stories in the media here lately and CASA is referring to all such machines as UAVs.
Such as: "Well a little more high-tech in the region this morning. If you've noticed some strange objects buzzing around the skies over your place lately, you've most likely seen a UAV, that is, an unmanned aerial vehicle. Perhaps better known as drones."
Australia was one of the first countries to implement legislation regarding their use, over 10 years ago.
On this Trango trip, flight times were around 10 minutes each.
> Lama and friends climbing on Nameless Trango, shot from a drone.
Talking of 'shot from a drone'; coincidentally there's a report just been issued on the effects of the US military UAVs on the civvie population:
- the Mammut minicopter used looks remarkably similar to one of the robot 'Nano Quadrocopters' recently starring in Tubeland thanks to their strangely sinister formation flying:
Presumably it's only a matter of time before the more publicity-conscious climber will be able to dispense with the services of videographers or headcams and will be accompanied at all times by their personal flying camera bot...
> No problem. Exactly the point I was making. I really don't know what the fuss is all about. Extraordinary..... Obviously technologies can have both benign and malevolent applications.
I find it 'extraordinary' that you can't see why people are making the link to military drones.
Historically, the word 'drone' isn't exactly widely used is it. The only context that 99% of people now encounter this word is in the very recent common News use in relation to military air strikes. Hey presto - a link is formed.
It's really not difficult to comprehend. Please try harder.
This is a project I've been thinking about for a little while ;-)
Battery life is the principle problem. As it stands, a 15 minute battery life in a multicopter is considered pretty good. I don't think I'm quite up to the challenge of designing a control system that'll let a little UAV swoop down and perch on your helmet to change batteries right now.
Much easier to have a drone-herder with you to deal with their care and feeding, I reckon.
Well obviously people are.
Though even if I had made the connection on reading the OP, it certainly wouldn't have occurred to me to make a fuss about it; a shame that someone saw fit to try to divert a thread about a bit of film into a political one (however worthwhile that discussion might have been in another context).
That's internet forums for you....
Brilliant - drones sound so cute when you put it like that - exactly the kind of heart-warming spin UAV's need to make folk embrace them rather than fear them.
(Although I still fear them - especially the ones DARPA are almost certainly working on right now - you know, the ones that will come out at night and chew your face while you're asleep...)
Have you seen the film Screamers?
> That's internet forums for you....
Now celebrated in song by the (ex-Leeds) musician Jon Langford - see http://www.bloodshotrecords.com/album/drone-operator-7-single
"Drone Operator celebrates our new low-risk stay-at home Warrior Class who rain down armageddon across the planet while never leaving the comfort of their office. Oh the Valor! The Glory! Makes me feel damned proud to be a coward!"
> Well obviously people are.
> Though even if I had made the connection on reading the OP, it certainly wouldn't have occurred to me to make a fuss about it; a shame that someone saw fit to try to divert a thread about a bit of film into a political one (however worthwhile that discussion might have been in another context).
Class! Like praising Hitler for his autobahns.
Whoops! I've done it, Godwins Law
> Class! Like praising Hitler for his autobahns.
Not at all.
> "Drone Operator celebrates our new low-risk stay-at home Warrior Class who rain down armageddon across the planet while never leaving the comfort of their office. Oh the Valor! The Glory! Makes me feel damned proud to be a coward!"
So the sentiment of the song is that war can be glorious. That's a bit distateful. War is always nasty and at best a necessary evil. If it is considered a morally justified necessary evil to bomb something, then why risk the life of an aircrew to do so?
Er - no. You obviously didn't take the trouble to listen to it.
Debatable but in this case there is the First Person View control perspective, it can be flown beyond line of sight via video feedback. Also those quad-copters are basically a flying computer/IMU platform, you fly the gyros, the software flys the 'helicopter, I'd say it was a reasonable use of the word.
> Er - no. You obviously didn't take the trouble to listen to it.
Indeed not. I just went by the quote you provided. Afraid I'm not now going to pay to listen to it either! I'll take your word for it.
This isn't an argument about engineering details; it's just that, as has already been pointed out, the term 'drone' is a (very) loaded one in that part of the world just now.
But I don't want to derail this thread any further: the footage referred to by the OP is great.
We're not in that part of the world and not all drones are unmanned warplanes.
In reply to all:
Can you please stop droning on.
> This isn't an argument about engineering details; it's just that, as has already been pointed out, the term 'drone' is a (very) loaded one in that part of the world just now.
> But I don't want to derail this thread any further: the footage referred to by the OP is great.
Except in Pakistan they don't call them drones, so it's not a partiularly loaded word at all.
> Except in Pakistan they don't call them drones, so it's not a partiularly loaded word at all.
Who is 'they'? Some of the Pakistan newspapers certainly use the word drones.
More on the whole setup here: http://www.mammut.ch/basecamp/en/node/96992?iframe=1
And what has it done on grit? This: http://www.mammut.ch/basecamp/en/basecamp-news/teamtrip_2010_trailer?iframe=1
really tempted to build one of those.
So far i have been using a 5 dollar video camera from Hong Kong on an electric powered glider, but getting the SLR airborne would be cool.
From the same trip, my friend took this hi-res pano of the upper Baltoro, near Concordia:
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