/ Disabled parking spaces
The question is prompted by trying to find a parking space at a popular beauty spot the other Sunday. All the general spaces were taken and there were several cars driving round in circles hoping to jump into a space if someone left but there were half a dozen empty disabled spaces.
Since then I've been taking a bit more notice and the same happened at my local shoppers car park today - all the general spaces gone, people driving round in circles but three empty disabled spaces. Is this a national situation? I fully understand the need for disabled spaces but is there an over-provision based on some worst case scenario?
Who decides the ratio and how is is arrived at?
There is a ratio, what it is I don't know, but if you think about it there needs to be alight over provision of disability spaces, because there needs to be a higher likelihood of a space being available, because the option of walking from a bit further away generally isn't an option.
What he said
There is a ratio, I used to know it off by heart when I was designing things like, e.g. car parks. Sadly that bit of information appears to have been forgotten in the 15 or so years since.
Think back to 1995 or so. A disabled person couldn't get on a bus, taxi, couldn't get up a kerb or into many buildings.
The DDA regs were designed not for the amount of disabled people who ARE out and about, they were designed to give the facility for ALL disabled people to be out and about, where practical.
Yeah, funnily enough, when you rely on these things you never seem to notice all these allegedly unused spaces either, but instead how much of a pain it is to find one when and where you need them plus non-blue-badge-users parked in them...
> ...instead how much of a pain it is to find one when and where you need them plus non-blue-badge-users parked in them...
Like John Terry's Bentley, for example...
> plus non-blue-badge-users parked in them...
A real pet hate of mine. These feckers should be clamped and fined with the majority of the proceeds going to charities.
I was in one the other day where there was an insane amount of disabled places relative to normal ones. It looked like they had built it with a reasonable ratio but then sold off a big chunk of the spots as assigned parking for offices. The offices were not buying disabled spots so in the remaining unassigned spaces the ratio of disabled to normal spots was unreasonable.
To make it worse you had to get a ticket on the way in so once you were in you couldn't get out without paying. The system was presumably tracking entry and exits and knew there were spots left but not that all the remaining spots were disabled spots. The result was it kept letting people in and they were driving around in circles until they got frustrated and parked on a disabled spot.
Having to park 100s of yards from the shops because a police propaganda van had parked across the only disabled bays was a laugh...
They do seem to believe that parking rules/regulations/laws don't apply to them. They frequently park on double yellow lines and in bus stops around here when there would be perfectly adequate parking a few yards further down the street, especially when all they're doing is calling into the shops.
Right. Now take a deep breath and re-read the OP, notably this phrase "I fully understand the need for disabled spaces...."
Maybe some of the non badge holders are actually disabled? It is not a legal requirement to apply for a blue badge if you are disabled, nor is it to be registered disabled, and you can be disabled and not qualify for a badge for various reasons, eg intermittent disability (blue badge requirements are now alot more strict than many (most?) badges currently in use and alot may not get them reissued when they expire. Also,on private land, there is a legal argument that if someone is disabled in terms of the law, but does not hold a blue badge for whatever reason, they are still entitled to use a disabled bay, and to deny them (ie a supermarket insist that they hold and display a blue badge) is a breach of the EU law on human rights. Make of that what you will.
Agreed. And I can think of a fair few places I'd like to see the clamp attached to. All of them painful.
My dad - disabled badge holder - now no longer with us - once collapsed and was in a very bad way indeed after trying to walk from the far end of Sainsbury's car park as the disabled spaces were all full.
Given I know the Sainbury's concerned, the disabled spaces are often fairly busy with arrogant t*ats in 4x4's (who park there becasue their cars only just fit into normal spaces and they worry about their paintwork) and women with kids who think that the disabled area is an extension of the "parent and child" area.
Obviously, on that particular day, it's possible all the disabled bays were full of disabled people, but I doubt it.
I wonder whether the able moving paralympians actually use the spaces.
I presume you are discounting the wheelchair users as they need more space to exit the side of their cars.
I also presume you are discounting those with lower limb loss that need more space to exit the space.
I also presume you understand that the spaces are both closer to the stores/amenities to serve the disabled with mobility restriction and are wider to accommodate access issues. As these requirements tend to be lumped together by the parking provider to reduce costs, those that are more mobile get the perk of being nearer the stores etc because of being placed in spaces also made for the less mobile.
As a parent of a child in a wheelchair my strategy when I see a 4x4 driving tw*t without a badge in a disabled space is:
- write note and leave it on their windscreen with words to the effect of "I am a selfish tw*t please feel free to vent your spleen at me in the strongest possible terms"
- drive around the car park, find an attendant, drive them back to the offending car with the promise of easy ticketing opportunity.
My not solve the problem but makes me feel good. Si
It'll probably be far a far more effective tactic if you do exactly the same to all cars without badges in disabled spaces, rather than just ones you appear have a massive chip on your shoulder about.
Be fair, and get them all, don't just give in to prejudice.
Technically my other half is disabled (motorbike accident a few years ago) but refuses to apply for a blue badge because he doesn't feel he needs it. Makes us chuckle when we're trying to find a spot and the only empty spaces are marked for disabled use.
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