/ Next piece / set of trad rack protection to get?
What might be the next piece of protection that it's worth it to start looking for in the sales? Smaller stoppers? Offsets? Small Cams (expensive!)? Hexes/Torque nuts?
For climbing in Wales and occasionally in the peaks; finding that I use all of these in roughly equal measure and, of my friends rack, nothing stands out as being super important, it just all gets used.
By wales and the peaks, I probably climb most at Tremadog or that area, followed by mixed bits up in snowdonia (quarries, crags in the pass e.t.c).
If you're not feeling like something is missing I'd stick the money in my piggy bank for a rainy day... Then next time it rains treat yourself to some Offsets :)
I've got a set of hexes and the equivalent sized cams, and only ever use the hexes for setting up top-rope anchors. So from personal experience, I'd say you could live without. Unless you have an urge to sound like a Swiss cow.
Or of course, you could get anywhere between 10-20 pints.
Get the biggest cam you can find. No question.
And - slightly OT - if you do get some smaller nuts and double up on 1-5, and decide to split them onto two krabs on your harness, I'd thoroughly recommend staggering the splt. So have one krab with tinies, 1,1,2,2,3,3,4,5 and the other with 4,5,6...11. Much better chance of having the right one available when you grab that krab.
Would that be for placing pro in the mouth of anyone who doubts the necessity of such an enormous cam?
In reply to Jamie Wakeham:
That's even with a 0.5 sitting right there?
> Get the biggest cam you can find. No question.
Definitely the best advice on here yet...
> That's even with a 0.5 sitting right there?
Yep - there's a fair difference between 0.4 and 0.5, much more than the numerical names would suggest. I probably wouldn't bother with 0.3 and below, though; again, maybe it's just me but I pretty much never use them. For some reason, though, my 0.4 seems to get used more than any other cam I carry. Maybe that's to do with the routes I pick, or how I look for gear placements, though?
2,3,4,5 wires or offsets.
> Definitely the best advice on here yet...
No it's not. It all depends. If the OP is climbing lots of wide grit crags and finds his existing set is not up to the job then yes, perhaps, but if he is climbing lots of routes in N.Wales and on limestone faces he would be bteer off doubling up on his current set of nuts.
Depends really, if you don't think you need anything, just stick with what you've got. However if it were me, I'd get a second set of nuts, DMM Offsets would be my choice.
> No it's not. It all depends. If the OP is climbing lots of wide grit crags and finds his existing set is not up to the job then yes, perhaps, but if he is climbing lots of routes in N.Wales and on limestone faces he would be bteer off doubling up on his current set of nuts.
Can someone send out a SAR team for the humour that was lost here?
I'd get a second set of nuts if I was you.
Micros - for you're current grade You'll only need a couple as they overlap your other nuts, for the BD swedgies I carry size 2 and 3 only.
As for hexes I really like them, if you do great buy some torques but if you don't just get more cams as and when you feel the need. I'm pretty sure theres plenty of cracks out there with your current rack that you'd feel very limited gear wise on as you only have 3 cams that would fit cracks bigger than a number 11 nut at present.
I picked the most absurd response (they were a little lacking on this thread compared to the norm) and affirmed it as sound advice, in a(n admittedly poor) attempt at humour. Given that this is the "starting out" forum, I checked that the OP had understood that it was not a serious response ("Would that be for placing pro in the mouth of anyone who doubts the necessity of such an enormous cam?") before doing so
> I picked the most absurd response (they were a little lacking on this thread compared to the norm) and affirmed it as sound advice, in a(n admittedly poor) attempt at humour. Given that this is the "starting out" forum, I checked that the OP had understood that it was not a serious response ("Would that be for placing pro in the mouth of anyone who doubts the necessity of such an enormous cam?") before doing so
Quit thinking about it. Just buy a big cam and hang it on the back of your rack and wave it around, everyone will think you are mega cool and that you climb fat cracks.
2 rules of climbing.
1 - Look good
2 - don't die
If you are happy you have satisfied rule 1, then concentrate on rule 2 and buy some sensible pro, some of them offset thingies or small cams or something like that.
as you appear to be new i'll be nice and simply say 'no comment'
Does that mean double up my size 2,3,4,5 wallnuts or changing brand for those sizes? Wouldn't switching brands confuse me re: different sizing for each colour (I get pretty simple minded half way up a route).
The offsets people are suggesting, would they be in similar sizes to my current 1-11 wallnuts (e.g. the 2345 above) or micro's like peenuts or brass offsets?
ATM if I buy more cams it'd have to be in a US sale. But two cams, even at US prices (£30 a camalot) would pay for a load of nuts. What sizes would you go for, +1 either side?
I'm looking to start leading easier E1's and harder HVS's (in particular I want the Plum @ Tremadog under my belt), if that makes any difference, and by the time I move off E1 I should know enough not to need to ask!
Sorry for wall of text.
I agree buy more nuts and consider hexes another cam. I'd look at 0.4 or 0.3 c4s and 4 if you get on a lot of grit (esp brimham!). The bigger C3s are pretty goos as well as they overlap small C4 and have small heads.
w.c rocks and wallnuts are colour coded the same (and offsets)
alloy offsets people are suggesting correspond to size 4..8 in normal wallnuts and are colour coded the same
brass offsets/micros etc are sometimes very useful but expensive but can pick em up along the way
I'd go for alloy offsets, imps and maybe smaller cams such as zeros or metolius.
Worth getting a smaller cam than a 0.5 c4 in the "big cams" range or just going straight and saving for a set of smaller cams e.g. mastercams, x4's when they come out or just c3's?
up to you - what you like and dont, the mastercams are very popular and liked, the zeros have their fans. I like the Camalittles C3. Have a play with them all. Whats your climbing partner got, can you double up to cover the range ?
he has dragons 0-BIG MOTHER, and little 3cu's down to quite small but not miniscule and overlapping the lower end of dragons, two sets of rocks, copious slings and bits and bobs.
sounds like worth climbing on his gear :-)
see what you lik/use from his, but my first call as others have said would be more rocks/wires (and enough QDs to place em all!)
Maybe a cam for xmas (its for life....)
My vote would be first a set of torque nuts, closely followed by a second set of nuts, either wild country rocks or DMM alloy offsets.
PS. The one time I recently climbed at tremadog I was using torque nuts and sling draws all over the place - great kit.
Double up or go big before going small?
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