/ E8 *Onsights*
I would say that E8 *flashes* are not uncommon these days.
My question is:
How many folk have *onsighted* E8 and on what variety of routes?
Off the top of my head also Birkett, Buys, Dickson, others I'm sure - though I'd need to look them up to confirm which routes and precisely how anally onsight they may have been!
Didn't James Pearson onsight E8 at Nesscliffe recently? Or was that a flash?
Are we talking proper onsight - without chalked up holds?
Yeah, on a top rope.
Neil Dixon, The Hollow Man
Out of interest, how many of the smallish number of E8 onsights have been bold for the grade, and how many have been comparatively safe?
I often wonder about the Hollow Man onsight. Neil describes it afterwards as the 'start of the Clown into the crux of the bells'
Maybe he's done both routes before? Is the 'crux of the bells' thhen followed by a run out independent section? Is that independent bit the E8 bit or easier?
No disrespect to Neil at all, I know not remotely what E8 feels like, and nor do I know the routes in general, but Neil seemed much less impressed than Nick Bullock by his achievement
Woa! I didn't criticise anybody's efforts, as long as everyone is honest that's good for me.
To clarify my opinion about onsighting: I have no complaints about routes being chalked up when you arrive but if you send your mate up to effectively tick mark the holds that is dubious.
Looking through the replies, perhaps a lot fewer people than some think have onsighted E8. I was also interested to hear the selection of E8 routes that have received an onsight.
From what I've been able to find
The list of onsighted routes is:
Point Blank (3 [more I think], safe-ish but scary); My Piano (2, bold); Hollow Man (1, bold); Boldness Through Ignorance (1, bold - it's a solo); maybe Gaia [by Alex Honnold] (1, bold).
The other routes I've seen mentioned either weren't onsighted (as stated by the climbers themselves!) or, in the case of Dawes Rides..., was actually given E7 by the first ascentionist and only upgraded by someone who had never been on it (see also Caff's and Steve's comments).
James Pearson onsighted End Of The Affair.
I would count Nik Jennings ascent of Doug at the Roaches as an insight, and I'm mean.
stupid phone, stupid fingers, stupid cortex -- ONSIGHT obviously.
An awesome achievement I agree, but clearly a flash:
"Flashed on impulse by Nik Jennings in 2000, having seen a friend headpoint it, and having previously headpointed A Fist Full Of Crystals. It remains, however, a supreme achievement" (a quote from the guide from Nik Jennings website)
Mr Read, do you know of any others? I remember your Grit List website fondly :)
Well spotted, cheers.
Point Blank (3 [more I think], safe-ish but scary); My Piano (2, bold); End of the Affair (1, bold); Hollow Man (1, bold); Boldness Through Ignorance (1, bold - it's a solo); maybe Gaia [by Alex Honnold] (1, bold).
So that's 6 routes by 7 climbers.
Doesn't seem like E8 onsights are a common occurrence to me.
When this topic used to come up a few years ago people always used to say that someone had onsighted Tender Homecoming and not shouted about it. Unfortunately I can't remember who somebody was supposed to be.
What has Ryan P done in this area? He flashed Countdown to Disaster, didn't he?
Interesting. Only 3 grit E8 onsights on that list, as far as I can see.
Yes, I was just looking at the same thing R-Man.
There was a ?BMC list of hard onsights somewhere online, IIRC?
Caff onsighted Dawes rides a Shovelhead a while back.
Yeah, but it's not E8, as he stated at the time. He onsighted Point Blank which is E8 though.
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