/ New super light sleeping bag.
It is made by the chaps at H18ORR, http://www.h18orr.com/products/down-sleeping-bag
First bag I have ever had that I would consider sticking in alongside a lightweight bivvy, just in case I got stuck on a route.
Anyone know of anything similar at that price? An outstanding bit of kit.
Not as cheap but I really rate the PHD, found it awesome for alpine use.
650 fill power, nuff said in comparison to phd
I'm doubtfull with 650 fill power that at this weight this bag will be warm to freezing when new never mind after a few years use. I would be highly sceptical regarding extreme ratings I have never managed to get a bag down to anything close to these and actually sleep!
I've got this bad boy:
When new it was good to freezing but now it's a food few years old more like 3 degrees with clothers on.
Great to see another new company in this area.
Iím not sure they are going to steal PHDís crown but they seem to offer a more budget option. Iíve a Minim 300 with Drishell and itís the muttís nutts (and available in the periodic PHD sale for a decent price).
Out of interest, I canít find a 380g bag anywhere on their site?
I'd be sceptical that the stitch-through bags are very warm at all: I'd guess you'd be very very cold in -5 with a 480 g sleeping bag unless you're wearing a shedload of clothing and are lying on a giant down mat. The 650 g bag might be good to +2, but I doubt the stitch through would get below +5. Might be wrong though - I've never seen these bags in the flesh.
were you using the box wall construction? How cold did you get it down to?
Yeah the box wall construction is more believable, it's pretty much the same weight as my bag although lower quality down.
I've been considering getting a really light and compressible down bag for summer use - but keep realising that for anything like an amount I could afford, most of these bags aren't lighter than the Marmot Plasma 15 I have which I've slept in comfortably under the stars at -9! I wish I could afford the Plasma 30 (200grs lighter), as it's big brother is an amazing bag, but unfortunately you really have to pay for that quality!
> 650 fill power,
I read somewhere that anything above 650 was a waste of money because the weight of the outer is heavy enough to squash 800 down, down to the size of 650. So you loose the extra fluffyness. Can't find the link now though. Anyone else read this?
To answer someone elses question,I can't find the 380g bag on there either, perhaps mine is 480g. Not sure.
> I read somewhere that anything above 650 was a waste of money because the weight of the outer is heavy enough to squash 800 down, down to the size of 650. So you loose the extra fluffyness.
I've heard this and I agree, somewhat. I don't know about it being the weight of the outer, though that might be part of it with some models.
I think just generally sleeping bags, getting compacted and pushed and pulled and squashed and used in the damp and in crowded tents, or sitting up in a bivi etc are often used in non-optimal situations in terms of down distribution. I've no doubt that 800+ down lofts nicer and thus insulates better than 650 when they are laid out in the shop or factory, and is lighter. I have several 800+ bags, used in Antarctica, AK, Karakoram, Tibet, Andes etc. and I'm not about to replace them with a 650 bag for those places.
Only my personal opinion, but I think for having a decent BC or higher camp in a very cold place in a proper tent, then an 800+ bag is worth it. It will be able to be used 'as it should'. For many actual climbing situations, or places less cold, I think the benefits of the 800 will be lost somewhat and a 650 will be fine.
I have a PHD Minim 400 and it's a nice piece of work, but without Drishell I worry about it getting damp, or torn, so it's not very robust and often I find myself not game enough to use it, opting for something a bit less quality but more utilitarian. You won't sleep well if you're constantly worrying about the state of your sleeping bag.
I've worn a zip out on a bag just from over use I guess, but beyond that never 'broken' a sleeping bag in any way. You must uses yours way more than I use mine, but still I'm surprised beyond the getting it wet danger, that it's something you worry about.
The marmot bag I reviewed (link somewhere above) is very very light materials, but I've used it plenty over the last year and half- plenty of nights bivvying for example and its absolutely fine. And with its 900+ (or whatever) fill power, it really is very warm for its weight. If it wasn't for the price I'd recommend it without hesitation, and I'm a bit suspicious about the claim that the down quality doesn't differ that much in warmth.
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