/ how many of you.....
I do. Bracing isn't it?
So bracing in fact that I usually have somewhere handy to hang my jacket whilst I change.
I do, but only to impress the girls.
Is there much point? Or is it just the momentary feel of dry clothing next to the skin?
If your base layer is dry then you must be moving pretty slowly.
Watch out, we've got a badass over here.
Or alternatively, you could have selected any number of macho responses, here's a few for next time!
Your pack was under-loaded.
You forgot your weight training belt.
You reslung with dyneema and so your rack was lighter.
Not enough large hexes.
Your walkin was easier.
My penis is larger than yours.
I'd sweat standing still in a fridge let alone slogging up a mountain with a heavy pack. Some people run warmer than others.
"You wear a baselayer?"
I used to change my baselayer but this year I have (i) made an effort to get fitter and (ii) bought one of the Brynje string vests. So far I have only used the vest when cycling but it does an amazing job of curing that wet baselayer feeling that drove me to change my baselayer at the bottom of climbs.
> the Brynje string vests. So far I have only used the vest when cycling but it does an amazing job of curing that wet baselayer feeling that drove me to change my baselayer at the bottom of climbs.
It would amuse me immensely if the winter climbing population wore these for the walkin! The scottish winter reputation would go through the roof if a photo got out to the conti's of a pile of folk getting to the stretcher in their string vests in the snow!
I don't change, but don't sweat much either.
'Clothes? I climb naked (and that gives me an extra 'contact point')'
I've never been in a situation where I've soaked my clothes in sweat, unless I've been in a pretty hot environment and that is usually under my pack.
I think we just disagree what the ideas of sweating and soaked are. Of course we all perspire on a walkin, but I don't come across anyone who looks like they've just come out of a shower like you're describing.
I agree with your point, your doing something wrong if you arrive in a winter corrie soaked in sweat. There has never been so many clothing options for mountaineers to keep their skins dry. Helly Hanson polyprop seems to out of fashion, simply because it smells?! I've. never found anything as efficient in keeping me dry. The overhyped merino 'wooly vests' on the other hand are useless for the aerobic activity of humping up big hills with a winter sac, they get wet, and stay damp, wearing a polypropylene base sorts this.
Gridded fleece ,Powerdry is also fantastic! Just pulling it out of a wash machine, you'd think it was nearly ready to wear.
Not to mention Rab VR, Marmot Dryclime etc etc
> I agree with your point, your doing something wrong if you arrive in a winter corrie soaked in sweat.
This is a ridiculous discussion. If I walk up hill I get soaked in sweat. If I ride my bike at a pace that will actually get me to work, not use the work day up just riding, I get soaked in sweat. Ski touring, I've watched my wife skin up wearing a wool base layer, a 200 weight fleece, a goretex and hat, I was wearing a lifa with a pertex over it and I was getting sweaty. People are just different. It's like me saying if you don't get sweaty on the walk-in, you're walking too slow to be safe in the mountains. It's ridiculous, you're not me, your metabolism isn't the same as mine.
I have three lifa tops, 20 yrs, 10 yrs and 6 yrs old. All work well and I use them for cycling through winter, but as a rule by the time I get to work they are wet to the touch. I tend to rinse them out in the shower because they're drier after that and being run out, than if I just take it off. But I agree lifa is good except for the smell. For mountaineering I prefer merino, I find it is a bit slower to dry but not to the extent if causes problems and I don't hate myself due to the smell on multiday trips.
Because that's what keyboard warriors do Toby - but you know that!
Maybe being 20 has something to do with the need to tell people they're wrong? Maybe not though.
People are different, maybe in a few years time he'l realise that different doesn't mean wrong.
Sorry, only having a laugh with someone taking themselves way too seriously. I didn't mean to upset everyone who sweats on this forum ;). Never again give basic advice about layering or what not in your articles toby or you will be accused of 'telling other people how there bodies should work'. Next time I see someone wearing a down jacket in june going up dovestones edge I'll shut my mouth.
Not quite twenty anymore, lucky I don't leave my postcode up or I would have a bunch of sweaty angry people at my door.
Well, I suppose the thing about layering is you can layer to suit your own metabolism, be that sweaty or not! But I learnt long ago being overly categorical in your advice generally makes its unhelpful because we really aren't all the same.
But don't worry, somewhere out there is the perfect non-sweaty climbing partner just for you! You can march up hillsides together, hand in hand, smelling sweetly and with hardly a damp armpit between you. ;-)
> But don't worry, somewhere out there is the perfect non-sweaty climbing partner just for you! You can march up hillsides together, hand in hand, smelling sweetly and with hardly a damp armpit between you. ;-)
That actually sounds quite nice and romantic. Maybe I should advertise for someone like that.
> Sorry, only having a laugh with someone taking themselves way too seriously.
You see there you go again. For all you know I might be Johny Vegas, and be very adept at laughing at myself. There again you'd be right about being fat and sweaty. Be good though if you could cut down on the sweeping generalisations and telling people they're wrong... tends to get peoples backs up. Hugs? Or don't you want to get sweat on you?
If I was walking up a steep hill in just my baselayer and a pack on I'd be drenched, summer or winter, snow or shine. I'm no Olympian but nor am I an 'unfit mess'.
It really does puzzle me that some people struggle to understand or accept just how different other people's experience can be. I sweat a *lot* when I exercise. It's no big deal, it's not indicative of poor fitness, poor clothing or illness, I just sweat, I always have. Some people do, some people don't.
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