/ highest climbing grades
F infinity c+
E infinity, 7c
You missed alpine grades- ED infinity sup
And Scottish winter - INFINITY, infinity....
They are all open ended...
Do you mean, that have been climbed as of now? You must, otherwise you will get smart arse answers. Oh, a bit like what has happened already.
9b+ from Ondra this year
E11 then Echo wall (ungraded but harder than Dave Macleod's E11)
8C+ from Ondra
Well someone's gotta a give a real answer...
Rumours abound of a P2500 beastmaker, surely the finest climbing grade?
ED isnt the highest alpine grade, the top grade is ABO.
oh dear, not so much of a smart arse now
Now, you might be right
But I thought that ABO was set to one side of the grading system, like HXS in trad grading
So an HXS 5b route wouldn't be harder than an E 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 7c, just very loose and scary. Same with ABO.
I guess we'll have to wait till ondra does alpine to find out...
I couldn't wait, so I decided to check my logbook*
And sure enough. I found that the ED15- I Logged (the gouter route) was much harder than the ABO.
*the imaginary one, not the one on here
N_M_S_E was giving a semi serious answer in a flippant way. In theory there is no upper limit to the grade scale. The hardest routes that have been climbed to date are as listed above, although its hard to compare trad as different people use different grades. Not sure what e.g. Cobra Crack or the Nose (free) would get as UK trad grades.
highest trad grade is Great Whanney VDiff.
> F infinity c+
> E infinity, 7c
> V infinity
so what makes you think that 7c is the hardest english technical move possible?
> highest trad grade is Great Whanney VDiff.
No no, Great Wanney Diffs are much harder.
> Not sure what e.g. Cobra Crack or the Nose (free) would get as UK trad grades.
Sure Cobra crack is very hard technically so would get a high (very) tech grade, but it seems "relatively" safe compared to a lot of routes found in the UK (i.e. Walk of Life, Equilibrium, and obviously many more). And therefore might not get as high an E grade?
> so what makes you think that 7c is the hardest english technical move possible?
my reply was meant to have been just a bit of silliness, didn't expect it would be taken seriously, hence the ;-)
the 7c thing was an allusion to the progressive broadening of the tech grades at higher grades
i'm still not sure if the OP's question wasn't meant to be taken at face value- trad grades, scottish winter grades and UIAA grades used to be closed scales with maximum grades, and in other sports eg canoeing they still use closed scales. it isnt immediately apparent to newcomers to climbing (OPs profile says been climbing less than a year) that the grading systems are open ended, so i was just saying that they were in a silly way...
> No no, Great Wanney Diffs are much harder.
is Great Wanney a homeopathic crag, in which case the Mods should be well hard
(and heaven forbid there is an Easy climb there!)
No. It's just very old-school.
boldering is a good name for highball bouldering too
;) and also since when did the english have their own grading system mr davies
> ;) and also since when did the english have their own grading system mr davies
VSV - it must be hard, else all the beginners would be climbing gorse filled corners
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