In reply to Dauphin:
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> Well you clearly are getting paid to promote the Polis on here as you have nothing to say on climbing/walking/ any other issues.
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This old chestnut gets raised again and again.
It must be a poor attempt at humour as noone could be either daft or self important enough to think that in this time of austerity the cops would
ay someone to post on of all things a climbing web site.
As I have previously said on numerous occasions I may also have another
osting name on UKC. I used this id to post originally when niggle was on board as I didn't want my opinions to result in me getting disciplined if someone took exception to the
d> NO tempering required, no need to apologize either, just a poor attempt at ad homimem by tarring me with the socialist bush. Plenty of evidence of class structure and it's effect on say health, educational attainment so why not crime and it's provocation?
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> None of the above. Plenty of factors as play not all them of 'criminal intent' though I appreciate that is where you turn a crust. 'If you only have a mallet it is tempting to treat everything as a nail'
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Given you have changed your opinion from "class riots" to multi faceted reasons for rioting I am more inclined to agree with you. However in my experience not s single person expressed an ideological class motive - other than the routine criminal "class" - 'We hate the police, innit' view. Neither did anyone other than a few of those involved initially in London, even appear to know who Duggan is.
They did all share a desire for nice shiny things for free. The consequence being that a criminal subsection of those who had less nice shiny things - ie a proportion of those with less money and of lower "class" decided to go out and steal.
Similarly the reasoning behind setting things on fire and smashing things up appears to have been 'because we could' rather than any motivation about class warfare.
The only disproportionatelt represented 'class' that o could see was the criminal class, and though they might be over represented in lower socio-economic groups they appear defined by morality and principles rather than class.
I haven't had a look at the article - I'll get back to you