/ Do your kids climb? Can you help with this survey please?
It would help me greatly if you can as I'm slowly getting some climbing shorts made for my daughter and friends and if there is enough interest I might market them early next year.
Please spread the word to friends if you can who's kids climb and ask them to complete the surveys too. The more info I have I'll know if this might work! Thanks all.
Joe and Amelia
Have replied, answering the questions on price I have gone for the max price that I would be prepared to shell out for the goods on the basis that the kids shoot up quickly and spending more would be prohibitive. This is not to say that items of clothing with a full technical spec may worth more or that others would pay more. There is just a short time period where kids will fit into clothes so purchasing high end clothing to me seems pointless.
Hope this helps and best of luck.
Did you mean washing at low temperatures, as is the fashion these days or was at high temperatures in case they get scared and have an 'accident'?
I put it lowest cos I've never bought something on the basis it can be boiled, apart from eggs.
Mainly due to the fact that kids dont need all those features & a £5 to £10 pair of leggings (for the girls)(especially the newer ones with printed patterns on) or joggers for the boys meets all their needs & fulfils the style requirements.
Richard, my little girl and her climbing buddies disagree, they want their own gear, but I thank you for filling in what you could, everybodies veiw is of interest. Thanks.
A gentle bump for the evening
A cheeky second bump
Have done it, and stuck a note in the email box as there was no space for extra comments on the second one ;-)
For us, rather than plain elastic waist, the elastic/buttons combination you get in lots of kids clothes would be best, as my 2 are almost always too skinny on the waist for the size they need in leg length, even if it's elasticated. Realise this doesn't necessarily work too well under a sit harness, but I'd reckon it'd be fine for smaller kids in a full body harness.
In reply to Carolyn: no worries, I'll read all the comments ! The draw cord waiste when combined with an elasticated waiste was looking to fulfill this need. Kids come in all sorts of shapes and sizes!
I don't get the shorts thing, can't see the advantage over leggings but longer trousers are different. It bugs me that good outdoor kit isn't that easy to get for a girl and breathable, wearable trousers that had any level of water repellance (sp??) would probably get me to fork out normal human being prices!
I've found drawcords pretty useless at holding up trousers, but very effective at making it impossible for them to go to the loo.......
Hi, I didn't fill in the survey as I wouldn't spend any money on specialist climbing gear for my little climber. They grow out of the stuff so quickly, I think some 5 pound jogging bottoms or jeans from Asda or Sainsbury do the trick! But that's just my opinion I am sure there are loads of people with heaps of cash out there who would spend that sort of money. Good luck!
Carolyn: yep. I get that. I find the thicker draw cords help but even then sometimes get knotted.
All price comments are also, of course noted and we're certainly not pricing these for Rolls Royce parents! :-).
All, still thanks for the survey completion, it's appreciated if you can do both for me as all the replies add more and more to the picture I'm getting for kids gear!
Joe and Amelia
Would you really prefer your customers to buy from the open market on ebay and compare your products and prices to the alternatives there? If plan to compete solely on price and features for a new product you're on to a loser unless you can leverage an existing low cost manufacturing and marketing infrastructure.
On the other hand if you're aiming for higher margins you'll need a) deep pockets to subsidise you until you've built your reputation and b) a way to differentiate yourself from cheap 'n cheerful "disposable" clothes.
This is assuming that you actually want to make any money at it.
Presumably you've seen Patagonia's common threads program? Maybe if you could own a slice of the secondhand market you get to build your brand and loyalty from thankful parents who don't have to shell out for brand new stuff everytime junior has a growth spurt.
George Fisher also do a junior boot exchange based on the same idea - kids grow out of expensive stuff. If you can take some of that risk out for parents, they'll come back to you - vs buying cheap crap that will end up in landfill when it's outgrwon.
Just a thought...
As things stand we're a seed of an idea, and to continue the analogy, we're trying to germinate the seed which is more difficult than I imagined but still something I want to do for my daughter. If I can get this seed into a sapling then I will most certainly want ideas like yours, but for now I have to concentrate on feeding the seed and paying for the seed with my other day job! :)
Keep the ideas coming, I'm logging them!
Joe and Amelia x
The survey showed me which features you think would be important in climbing gear for kids and helped indicate how many might be interested in such a product. Some didnt think they would be, which is fair enough, but many thought they'd be interested depending on the price and the features. Great feedback.
This then led me to slightly alter the design of the ones I was getting made for Amelia and also helped build up a small team of testers, our Skunkworks team!
The great news is that today I spoke to the manufacturers and the prototypes will be with me tomorrow and amelia and her best friend will be using them this coming weekend. Those of you who wanted to be involved in the testing should get their prototypes next week, xmas post dependant.
If anybody else might be interested in following the development of this little idea, make sure you connect with our little facebook page or drop me an email and I'll add you to the email mailing list so you can follow and give input on these. The more the merrier.
Thanks again all of you!
Well... climbing isnt actually being done much, more playing around on the overhang holds.
Before we send out the samples to the wider team I'm going to shorten the lengths so that they are more test-able and give more freedom of movement at the knee. This might mean posting them out at the end of the week, so they might not be there for Xmas.
joe and amelia xx
Elsewhere on the site
The Women's Mountain Equipment Cho Oyu Jacket is the perfect choice for female mountaineers an explorers who... Read more
Backpackers want an extremely liveable and lightweight tent at good price. MSR answers the call with the Elixir 2 tent and... Read more
I am Matthew Phillips, I'm nearly 14 and I was born without my right arm below the elbow. I started climbing at taster... Read more
In this excellent film from Latitude Photography we see Raphael Slawinski, Ian Welsted and Jesse Huey travel to... Read more
2012 saw the release of the beautiful first volume of definitive Yorkshire Gritstone climbing, produced by the YMC with Robin... Read more