In reply to itsThere:
i think you need to understand that live plucking is the norm, illegal or not- and that all but one or two manufacturers use it- mountain equipment are about the only ones that truly know where it comes from.
i believe patagonia sorted their problems out with the help of mountain equipment because they (patagonia) were getting down from the same place TNF were.
another point: "ethically sourced" is an utterly useless and pointless phrase. they have sourced it ethically. but where it came from before it was sourced by the down houses is untraceable. therefore it needs to be sourced ethically by the wholesaler before it gets to the manufacturer. does that make sense, hopefully it does.