/ Threading skyhooks/grappling hooks
With the skyhooks I've seen 2 common methods (note where the sewn joint is and it's implication on if the tape hangs between rock and shank, or outside the shank.) Which is better, and why?
With the BD grappling hook I've struggling to find any information at all. What methods are recommended? I'm talking in terms of which order you thread the holes, where the knot goes, and if you wrap around the shank or not, as in this photo:
Or only use one hole as in this photo:
As I'll be threading them with cord myself I'd like recommendations and tips that aren't for sewn slings please! Cheers.
You want the hooks to be able to align as close as possible with the rock for stable placemenst so consider using flat tape and I would go for the threading option shown in the Needlesport link
for longwinded discussions on the subject check the american bigwall forums
My Talon and Cliffhanger are threaded very simply with short loops with an overhand knot jamming in the hole (as per this photo from Google image search http://stk.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?s=c081dafc29a9497fb21f6e153d21f558&attachmenti... )
My Grappling Hook is tied with short loops tied with water knots as shown in http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/tmoses62/213951.jpg with both strands of the loop exiting from the 'inside' of the hook.
Also, why the difference in tape attachment between the Cliffhanger and the Grappling Hook? I like the overhand knot jammed in the hole, it seems quit reassuring. Why does the Grappling Hook not use the same method?
Lastly, the tales on those overhands look veeery short to me. Are they suitable? The tales on the waterknots look better!
When I acquired some hooks myself a couple of years ago I read a bit online and had a play with a few different methods of threading them. The methods I ended up with made the most sense at the time and seemed to be what some fairly hardcore aid climbers did. IIRC when using both holes, the tape (BD Supertape) seemed to sit better with the grappling hook than the cliffhanger.
The photos aren't mine, just ones found from Google image search. My tails are probably not much longer.
As previously mentioned I don't think it matters greatly but if you do want more detailed discussions I'd echo the recommendation to head to US aid climbing forums. Otherwise, have a play and see what you think.
Tape works and ignoring what hundreds of aid climbers with many decades of experience all do seems pretty pointless to me.
If this doesn't make any sense let me know and I'll fish one out and take a photo of it.
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