/ Is there anywhere as good as Wadi Rum?
I am a relatively low grade leader (VS ish). But what was so great about Wadi Rum was that there were lots of long complex and adventurous routes at that grade and below for us to climb.
Does anyone have any suggestions for anywhere else that might be similar to inspire me for the next trip?
Much as I'd like to have kept it to ourselves for a few more years, the cat's now well and truly out of the bag with the publication of another excellent guide book, so for one who enjoyed Wadi Rum I can wholeheartedly recommend The Anti Atlas mountains of Morocco. Latest guide book is "Morocco Rock" by Emma Alsford and Paul Donnithorne and is bang up to date. Worth mentioning that it doesn't include one of the major valleys - the one first climbed in - for that you'll need "Climbing in the Moroccan Anti Atlas" by Claude Davies, though a new guide to The Ameln Valley is planned for this year I understand.
See you there?
Why not go back?!
Thanks my friend had mentioned Morocco, so will have to look into it and will maybe get the guidebook as a starting point. Is there enough easy grade stuff there?
I will definately go back, probably next year, but just wanted to know if there was anywhere else as I also really like visiting new places
Arapiles in Australia is pretty amazing, although it's a long way away! :-) Climbing of all sorts and at all grades, really interesting routes, with caves, juggy but airy traverses, views of hopping kangeroos, all within walking distance of the campsite.
Climbed in the states much? They're quite good at deserts.
Arapiles is a great place, but there's nothing like Rum's Bedouin route there - which I think is what the OP was enthusing about
And Rum is just sightly bigger. Here's a small bit of the area:
> Arapiles is a great place, but there's nothing like Rum's Bedouin route there - which I think is what the OP was enthusing about
It's not the same - no where is the same now, is it? I've been to both, and both were great in two different ways. There are descents through caves, routes that go behind giant slabs etc:
There is loads of very high quality low grade trad climbing.
> And Rum is just sightly bigger. Here's a small bit of the area:
Who climbs in the whole of that area though? And you also have the grampians if you ever got bored of arapiles - I went for 3 weeks and there was still plenty more I could have done.
What was your suggestion for a good alternative destination then?
UKC info here:
> What was your suggestion for a good alternative destination then?
My suggestion? The same as Robert Durran's - based on my experience.
Don't get me wrong, I've spent many happy days climbing in Australia, but if I read the OP's post correctly, she was really wanting routes like the Bedouin ones in Rum and for that, although there's some excellent srambling in the Gramps, I don't think Rum can be beaten. The closest I've had in Australia to what Rum offers was some explorations deep into the heart of the Bungle Bungles but that's much harder to reach than Victoria.
I haven't been to Morocco or Sinai, but there may be comparable days out to be had there.
Presumably you've had the chance to go to Rum...
> Presumably you've had the chance to go to Rum...
Yes, I've been to Rum (didn't I say that earlier?)
Sinai - we went to St. Catherines, thinking it might be similar to Rum, but it was VERY different! The rock in Sinai is granite, the only guidebook at the time was an Israeli internet guide, and there were NO other climbers there apart from us! The rock was very friable, with great chunks lifting off, as it was very unclimbed and the desert heat/cold had shattered a lot of the rock. It wasn't at all clear how to decend most routes and the surfaces were covered in granite ball bearings.
It was most exciting and enjoyable!
Yes - she said she had enjoyed Rum, but also that she wanted to try other places, which is why I suggested an alternative that I thought she might enjoy, with a lot of excellent routes at her grade. She already knows just how good Rum is! :-) Which I would agree with 100%!!
> Yes, I've been to Rum (didn't I say that earlier?)
Sorry. Yes, you did.
Long routes up to VS (~5.7 yds)...Red Rocks outside of Las Vegas would keep you happy for some time I think. Largest concentration of moderately rated multipitch routes in the US that I can think of (mostly trad at those grades). Even some descents down overgrown gullies & washes can have that Bedouin route flavor to them.
> Thanks my friend had mentioned Morocco, so will have to look into it and will maybe get the guidebook as a starting point. Is there enough easy grade stuff there?
Yes, lots and lots of climbing from V Diff up, single pitches to 10 pitches or more, as well as untold opportunities for new routes at all grades and new crags to be discovered.
Further away and therefore more expensive is Red Rocks, Nevada - a bit more conventional though, in that it has lots of fixed gear, is relatively well known and frequented, and has luxuries like rescue facilities . . . I'll be returning but not before my fifth trip to Morocco!
Great, thanks everyone for the suggestions, I will definately look into Morocco and Red rocks!
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