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Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
I cant see a thread about the new film so thought I'd start one as I'm sure a few people on here must have been to see it.
I have and thought it was epic, the sets are amazing and the characters well played.
Simon_Sheff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

Glad you enjoyed yourself.
winhill - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

For a moment I thought this was a one man show, like The National Theatre of Brent but fewer people.
graeme jackson - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:
My daughter went and thought it was boring.
based on her review i'll be giving it a miss.
Simon_Sheff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:
> I cant see a thread about the new film so thought I'd start one as I'm sure a few people on here must have been to see it.
> I have and thought it was epic, the sets are amazing and the characters well played.


It was epic......just shy of 3 hours.
I can only report on the first half - very boring.
Second half I was asleep!
Slugain Howff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah:

My daughters went and thought it was boring.
Based on their review I'll be giving it a miss.

S

Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

My wife went and thought it was boring.
Based on her review I'll be giving it a miss.
knthrak1982 on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

I liked it. Not a fan of musicals in general, but I liked the stage show and this was a good film adaptation imo.
bullybones - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:
My great aunt went and thought it was brilliant.
I prefer not to take any advice from her, so I'll be giving it a miss.
Andy Long - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

Enjoyed it very much despite myself, after the initial shock. It runs on the premise that whereas not all singers can act, most actors can sing, in the sense of put a song over, even if they don't have good voices.
It's a great Victorian melodrama that beats you into submission, more like an opera because it's sung through.
I can see why you might hate it but not why you might be bored.
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Andy Long:
well said.
Slugain Howff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Slugain Howff:
> (In reply to Hannah)
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> My daughters went and thought it was boring.
> Based on their review I'll be giving it a miss.
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> S

They loved the stage version though.

Simon_Sheff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to bullybones:
> (In reply to Hannah S)
> My great aunt went and thought it was brilliant.
> I prefer not to take any advice from her, so I'll be giving it a miss.

Nice, you make me laugh!

toad - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to winhill:
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> For a moment I thought this was a one man show, like The National Theatre of Brent but fewer people.

<chortle>
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Slugain Howff:
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> They loved the stage version though.


My wife too.
I prefered Joseph and the amazing technicolour dreamcoat though.
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

I am a huge fan of musicals. Stage musicals. I've never much liked musicals on film. I've been to see Les Mis twice on the West End and loved it both times so I don't feel the need to see it in the cinema.
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
> (In reply to Hannah S)
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> I am a huge fan of musicals. Stage musicals. I've never much liked musicals on film. I've been to see Les Mis twice on the West End and loved it both times so I don't feel the need to see it in the cinema.

But not everyone can afford that. The film version is useful for poorer people who can now see the musical.

Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
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> But not everyone can afford that.

Certainly not me... :-(
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
I guess that's one way to look at it.
The Lemming - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:
> I cant see a thread about the new film so thought I'd start one as I'm sure a few people on here must have been to see it.
> I have and thought it was epic, the sets are amazing and the characters well played.



http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=532796&v=1#x7155096
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Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Andy Long:
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> It's a great Victorian melodrama

In which universe can Les Misérables be accurately described as "Victorian"?
Robert Durran - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

If it's as bad as the stage version - a musical pretentiously trying to be an opera and failing dismally (or should that be miserably) - then I'll be giving it a mis.
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Technically it was set during Victoria's reign
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Robert Durran:
> (In reply to Hannah S)
> trying to be an opera

Huh?? How does a musical try to be an opera??
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:

Maybe people thought you were talking about the barely-remembered minor comedy character "Les Miserable" who seems to be untraceable via the Internet...
maybe part of Vic Reeves' early act, not sure
Martin W on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S: Can't say I'm tempted. One review I read cited Anne Hathaway's as the best performance, which doesn't lead me to expect much in the way of acting from the rest of the cast.

OK, that's being slightly bitchy about Ms Hathaway. The reviewer also made the point that the decision to record all the singing live meant that some of the performances were below par both musically and in dramatic terms.

I remember the radio adaptation of the original book on Radio 4 way back when (an adaptation that doesn't seem to be mentioned in the Wikipedia article). It was interminable and depressing. I was very surprised that the musical adaptation turned out to be so successful. I was even more surprised at that after someone loaned me a copy of the soundtrack album, which I found entirely fogettable (as I did the soundtrack album of Miss Saigon).

I might watch it when it comes on TV in a few years' time, though given that I've so far managed to avoid seeing similar films eg Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd on TV, that's very much a "maybe". (I have seen the Sondheim musical on stage, and enjoyed it.)
cander - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:

We went to see it a couple of years ago - I couldn't see what all the fuss was about - all a bit dull IMO - you can't please everyone.
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
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> Technically it was set during Victoria's reign

The start of the narration, perhaps, and the reference to a shaving bowl seen in 1848, but the main story ends in 1832 doesn't it?

graeme jackson - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
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> Technically it was set during Victoria's reign

no it wasn't. Victoria reigned from 1837. LM is set between 1815 and 1833.
graeme jackson - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
bugger. beat me too it.
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
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> Huh?? How does a musical try to be an opera??

I think the MARKETING of the musical strongly aped the marketing of operas. I used to often walk by the theatre where it ran for so many years in London and all the production stills had an "operatic" look to them, compared to stills from other musicals. I think I know where Robert is coming from with this.
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:
sorry didn't see that.
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to graeme jackson:
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> no it wasn't. Victoria reigned from 1837. LM is set between 1815 and 1833.

And in France :-)

I always wonder whether the Belgians, for example, describe the novels of Dickens as being set in "Leopoldian" times...
The Pylon King on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

What is Le Mis?
The Lemming - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:
> (In reply to The Lemming)
> sorry didn't see that.

No worries.

I am looking forward to going to see it. Don't think Miss Lemming will like it though.

However I went to see the Hobbit for my Birthday yesterday and was underwhelmed. Too long and too much fighting, very much in the same way that LOTR was 9 hours of fighting followed by finding the ring.
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Martin W:
Anne Hathaway was good, I think people mostly comment on her performance as she sings the song non le mis fans are most likely to know. you have to admire her dedication to character. her hair is real thru out the film, and cut (really should be hacked) as part of filming.

I felt the singing being done live gave a realness to the performance, if you go see a stage show the singing is live so why not for film.
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to graeme jackson:

Ah, this is what happens when you go on memory and can't check Wiki at work :-). I think maybe I was thinking about the book's publication date which was 1860s or 1870s??
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:

yeah I know what you mean about the hobbit, we went to see it and although I enjoyed it while watching it, we got to the end and I thought oh is that it suddenly realised it had progressed very far in long time it had been on.
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
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> I think the MARKETING of the musical strongly aped the marketing of operas. I used to often walk by the theatre where it ran for so many years in London and all the production stills had an "operatic" look to them, compared to stills from other musicals. I think I know where Robert is coming from with this.

an "operatic" look? What's that? Is it because of the period and the costumes? I am genuinely mystified.
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Mr Mark Stephen Davies:

LES Mis is a common abbreviation of the musical Les Miserables
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Robert Durran - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
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> I think the MARKETING of the musical strongly aped the marketing of operas.

And the MUSIC (very, very badly)

Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:

Period and sets for one thing. I know other musicals are set in this period too, but the sets on Les Mis did look more (for want of a better word) try-hard.

But also the poses the performers are in, in the photos. They look impassioned in an operatic way.

I don't have a time machine that I can use to walk you around Drury Lane in the mid 1990s and show you what I'm on about, and I think we are both going to be intransigent on this anyway, so I'll just say "looks like a load of shite" instead, blow a raspberry, and trot away.
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
> (In reply to graeme jackson)
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> Ah, this is what happens when you go on memory and can't check Wiki at work :-). I think maybe I was thinking about the book's publication date which was 1860s or 1870s??

I was going on memory, thank you very much!

Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:

We will have to agree to disagree as I really have no idea what you're on about! I suspect it might have something to do with the fact that it's a historical period musical and not the likes of Mamma Mia or We Will Rock You. But I still don't see how that makes it operatic. The singing is exactly what you'd expect from a musical, not an opera, so if the previous poster doesn't like the singing in Les Mis, I suspect he/she's not a musical fan. Nor maybe opera either ;-).
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
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> I was going on memory, thank you very much!

Good boy :-)
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
> (In reply to Mr Mark Stephen Davies)
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> LES Mis is a common abbreviation of the musical Les Miserables

He asked what LE Mis was

Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
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> We will have to agree to disagree as I really have no idea what you're on about! I suspect it might have something to do with the fact that it's a historical period musical and not the likes of Mamma Mia or We Will Rock You. But I still don't see how that makes it operatic. The singing is exactly what you'd expect from a musical, not an opera, so if the previous poster doesn't like the singing in Les Mis, I suspect he/she's not a musical fan. Nor maybe opera either ;-).

You snob.
If they don't have the same opinion as you, they are obviously not a 'musical fan'.


Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
> so if the previous poster doesn't like the singing in Les Mis, I suspect he/she's not a musical fan.

Great logic!
I don't like the guitar (or vocals, lyrics, drums, or production) on any Muse song....therefore I don't like modern rock music eh? :-)

Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
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> You snob.
> If they don't have the same opinion as you, they are obviously not a 'musical fan'.

You tw*t.
If they were derisory about the musical style one would assume they didn't like the musical which is no different in style to many other musicals.
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:

Arse ;-)
Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
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> He asked what LE Mis was

What's your problem? Did you think I was a snob for adding the extra S???
Simon_Sheff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
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> Great logic!
> I don't like the guitar (or vocals, lyrics, drums, or production) on any Muse song....therefore I don't like modern rock music eh? :-)


Don;t worry, she is badly wrong on this one
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
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> You tw*t.
> If they were derisory about the musical style one would assume they didn't like the musical which is no different in style to many other musicals.

How pleasant you are, when people don't agree with you

Ava Adore - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:

You call me a snob. I call you a tw*t. Don't see a problem there m'love.
The Lemming - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

I take it the forum bullies have not made a New Year's resolution to grow up when replying to your OP's?
dek - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
Les Milfs? Now there's a sequel...!
graeme jackson - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to graeme jackson:
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> My daughter went and thought it was boring.
> based on her review i'll be giving it a miss.

perhaps I should also point out that I really don't like musicals (with the exception of hello Dolly - more to do with ms Striesand than the music itself) so i wouldn't have gone even if jackson junior had pronounced it the best thing she'd ever seen.
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:
at least they mostly seem to be bullying each other rather than me.
graeme jackson - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:
> (In reply to Hannah S)
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> I take it the forum bullies have not made a New Year's resolution to grow up when replying to your OP's?

so far no-one has bullied hannah this year. No evidence of it in this thread.
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:

Gently mocking an innocent typo, with nothing personal intended, is hardly "bullying"
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Ava Adore:
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> You call me a snob. I call you a tw*t. Don't see a problem there m'love.

Obviously not, you appear to be an expert in being rude to people

Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
no offence but maybe you should pipe down abit at least till you lost the L no one appreciates new guys asserting alpha maleness it wont get you anywhere.
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

How do you know Hirosim's gender?
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:
> (In reply to Hirosim)
> no offence but maybe you should pipe down abit at least till you lost the L no one appreciates new guys asserting alpha maleness it wont get you anywhere.


Why does me - calling Ava out for being a snob equate to alpha maleness?
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
reads abit like a bloke, it wasn't so much maleness as in man as in wanting to be top of the tree, beating down well established members of the forum.
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

U have deleted your original reply which said:

'I may of been sexist, he sounded like a male'

U haven;t replied to my question above either? Was I really 'beating down' 'established' forum members for daring to state that someone was being a snob?
What happens when something bad happens?

And PS I am a 34 year old woman. I apologise for not sorting my profile out.
JimboWizbo - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S: I saw the London production this month, didn't go in expecting much as I wasn't a fan of musicals, but yeah, mind blown, goosebumps on goosebumps. I'll be seeing the film production as soon as I can.
Hannah S on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
I wanted to make my point better that althou sounding like a bloke I wasn't making a comment about gender.
Simon_Sheff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:
> (In reply to Blue Straggler)
> reads abit like a bloke, it wasn't so much maleness as in man as in wanting to be top of the tree, beating down well established members of the forum.


This thread gets funnier. You read like a paranoid psychologist? Over anaylsing perhaps?

Anyways I fell asleep in Les Mis
Alyson - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:
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> very much in the same way that LOTR was 9 hours of fighting followed by finding the ring.

And much the same way that Star Wars was 13 hours of fighting followed by Darth Vader getting his missing arm back..?
Simon_Sheff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:
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> No worries.
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> I am looking forward to going to see it. Don't think Miss Lemming will like it though.
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> However I went to see the Hobbit for my Birthday yesterday and was underwhelmed. Too long and too much fighting, very much in the same way that LOTR was 9 hours of fighting followed by finding the ring.

I think this clerks clip sums up LOTR nicely

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSB03lr69iU
The Lemming - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to graeme jackson:
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> so far no-one has bullied hannah this year. No evidence of it in this thread.

Flaiming all over her OP isn't exactly playing nicely.
Blue Straggler - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:

But Hannah isn't being flamed.
That's like saying I was being bullied over that Telegraph article thread!
Simon_Sheff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:
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> Flaiming all over her OP isn't exactly playing nicely.

Chill baby
simon c on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

I really enjoyed it, have seen the stage version a couple of times over the years. They're both different experiences and as such stand on their own for their respective mediums. AH performance was emotional raw and quite intense. Helena Bonham Carter and Sacha Baron Cohen were very good light relief. The only quibble I had was purely on the shallow depth of field problem where he focussed on the faces so closely to get that intimate feel that occasionally the eyes of the actor would come in and out of focus but thats just my ocd ;-) the stage and film version is entertainment and I was entertained so it was, for me, worth seeing.
graeme jackson - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to The Lemming:
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> Flaiming all over her OP isn't exactly playing nicely.
hannah started a thread to discuss the merits or otherwise of les miserables. Surprisingly, for a hannah thread, most of the commentary since (with a couple of exceptions) has been doing just that.
Slugain Howff - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hirosim:
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> And PS I am a 34 year old woman.

No you aren't........
Tony the Blade on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

Saw it with our lass this week, and I loved it! So much so that I bought the soundtrack today, can't wait to start belting the songs out whilst in the shower!

*Not as good as Moulin Rouge though.
Jenny C on 23 Jan 2013
Les Mis is excellent, saw it in Manchester for my 15th Birthday and was blown away by both the music and simplicity (OK Operaish) of the staging.

Not too sure about seeing the film version, I personally would have preferred it if they had cast signers who can act (rather than actors who can sing) - I would love to have seen Michael Ball as Jean Valjean.

Either way it has lead to me digging out my (nearly) 20yr old cassette recording of the complete musical.
Hirosim - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Slugain Howff:
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> No you aren't........


When i'm wearing my underwear :-)
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Clarence - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

I was dragged along to see this the other night. It took nearly a full hour of tutting, sighing, grumbling and whispering "fer f***s sake!" before I got the royal pardon to excuse myself and head over the road to the pub. Even a crappy pint of keg Mansfield Bitter was better than Les Mis.
Jus - on 23 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

I mostly loved it. I thought it was a very bold undertaking.

I though Hugh Jackman was incredible, and carried the film.

The first 45 mins were the best, after that there were some boring bits!
didntcomelast on 26 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S: Went to see it last night with my family. My wifes seen it in the West End, my daughters, who are both well into amdram and musical theatre have seen it and sung the songs on stage.

Thought it strange - lots of close ups up actors noses. Got wrong for singing to some of the songs. Found it funny that at the end the cinema was suddenly full of sniffing sobbing people. When the credits came up some people even clapped - never had that in the pictures since I was young and one of my mates tripped going down the stairs, did half a dozen forward rolls and then carried on walking without breaking stride.
Ali - on 26 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S: My sister and I bored our parents to death with the soundtrack of Les Mis when we were little and I know the score practically by heart (which is probably a bad thing as you spot all the bits they miss out in the film!). I've seen the film twice - the first time I thought it was good, but not amazing, the second time I loved it. I think the first time I was probably be too analytical and critical, whereas the second time I just relaxed and enjoyed it. My tuppence for what its worth...

If you don't like musicals, you probably won't like Les Mis, but to be honest if you hate musicals and you go and see it then it seems like a bit of a silly choice to me! I have to agree with the poster who said the first 45mins were the best - Hugh Jackman and Anne Hathaway give cracking performances and the physical changes in each character show their dedication to the roles. I also thought Eddie Redmayne was good as Marius and - after being prepared to hate him - lovel Sacha Baron Cohen. Russel Crowe did look a bit pained each time he had to sing and personally, I didn't think he did the songs justice, but otherwise he was a good Javert.

The main thing that got me was that every solo was filmed close up - in some cases this works, but not all the way through every song! Would have been good to have a bit of variety, but again just my opinion. The original scoring is played around with a bit, with some songs or sections of song missed out, reordered or cut short, but to be honest this doesn't detract at all and it's probably only pedantics like me who would notice...
BigHell on 27 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

was it shown in cinamacope or was it screened in a square format something dating back to the 1950s ?
simon c on 27 Jan 2013
In reply to BigHell:

it was wide screen where I saw it!
omerta on 27 Jan 2013
In reply to Hannah S:

Russell Crowe sings through his nose. And it was far too long. That said, Ms Hathaway's solo was a corker; I got goosebumps and everything
BigHell on 27 Jan 2013
In reply to simon c:
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> it was wide screen where I saw it!

Thanks for that Mrs Hell is now eating humble pie as she was not too happy with me moaning at the Cineworld manager .
tallsteve - on 28 Jan 2013
In reply to Ali:

Les Mis Film critics are split it seems between those that know the music/story in advance and those that don't.

As I am in the last camp you can guess my feelings. I gritted my teeth all the way through. Nearly jumped with joy at the end. I only stayed beyond half way as it was the wife's birthday treat. ("Yes dear, it was great. I loved it. Can we shag now?")

Why was it so bad?
- Singing heads. Long boring badly sung songs with head close-ups that went on forever.
- B movie story line with absence of believable plot loosely connecting afore mentioned interminable singing sections.
- Sacha Baron-Cohen and Helena Bonham-Carter played the comic baddies (I think they were supposed to be comic baddies). They were neither comic or bad - unless you count the quality of acting.
- Obvious over done attempt to whip up emotion in audience thatmade potentially emotional seems appear over acted in the best Am Dram way.

Rant over!

The New NickB - on 28 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
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> And in France :-)
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> I always wonder whether the Belgians, for example, describe the novels of Dickens as being set in "Leopoldian" times...

Although it was written in 1862, or at least the Hugo novel was. That is about as close as I can get to it being Victorian.
The New NickB - on 28 Jan 2013
In reply to Blue Straggler:
> (In reply to The Lemming)
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> But Hannah isn't being flamed.
> That's like saying I was being bullied over that Telegraph article thread!

You got a lot more grief about that!
Blue Straggler - on 28 Jan 2013
In reply to The New NickB:

Exactly! Yet neither myself nor anyone else has cried that I was being bullied there

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