/ Gri Gri 2 no CE Mark
As a Gri Gri 2 does not carry the mark should it pass a PPE inspection? or the bigger question is it PPE at all? If a descender yes, if a belay device no as I understand it.
Belay devices are category 0 under the directive which means there aren´t any standards and they aren´t really PPE.
It is somewhat confused/ing but only equipment can have an EN standard and belay devices don´t function without human intervention and thus they lie in a sort-of no mans land (leaving aside whether your Grigri will function without your intervention which is a bone of contention regarding the rubbish UIAA proposals).
There are other items which don´t get CE marked, bolts for one as they are not "personal" but they still have to pass EN959.
Here´s the appendix covering this http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/mechanical/documents/guidance/personal-protective-equipment/a...
"This European Standard specifies safety requirements and test methods for braking devices with manually assisted locking used in mountaineering, climbing and related activities for belaying, with manually assisted locking function, to protect against falls from a height and/or for abseiling with speed regulation.This European Standard applies to braking devices which are loaded with one person and which use mountaineering ropes according to EN 892."
Ok lets park standards, it seems the the Gri Gri 2 as a belay device / descender is exempt from PPE so technically can't fail a PPE inspection, although I'm sure we will continue to include them in inspections and retire them using our judgement.
But what about trading in the EU, As you say bolts are not marked, nor are the nuts, washers, hangers etc but my microwave and kids toy hat are. What should be marked and what is exempt and why? I can find no clear information. Why would Petzl CE Mark the old Gri Gri and not the new? Maybe to save the expense of going to a Nominated Body (CE-0197) for independent testing? Could it be when the draft EN becomes final CE will accept the standard in leu of the NB inspection and as an interim action Petzl are not marking the Gri Gri 2 ? What are your thoughts?
First a bit of clarity for maybe anyone else reading this thread.
The "old" Grigri was stamped CE0197 which could mean several things. That the QC system operated by Petzl was oveseen by an nominated body (in this case TÜV Rheinland as denoted by the code 0197 after the CE mark) OR Petzl wrote their own standard and had this tested by TÜV Rheinland, both being effectively the same thing. Whether strength, braking performance, safety etc were considered one doesn´t know.
For the GriGri 11 Petzl claim certification to prEN15151 but since this standard has not yet been approved or issued this is rather optimistic if not misleading. The current status of prEN1515 is clear;- "Warning : This document is not a European Standard. It is distributed for review and comments. It is subject to change without notice and shall not be referred to as a European Standard."
Nobody cares much either way but it looks better on the advertising!
The interesting point is that the performance test for the GriGri requires hands-free operation so is void if you hold the brake strand, a difficult concept if you see what I mean! A climbing instructor for example is bound to instruct his pupils to use the device as per the makers instructions "...always hold the braking side of the rope" (Petzl) which is in direct conflict with the requirements for EN/CE certification and marking.
If you are a commercial user of belay devices you´d still have to inspect the equipment for function, suitability and wear, damage etc. Your car or minibus isn´t CE marked but you´ll still be liable if the tyres are bald and you kill a customer.
The following groups of products are covered by directives from the EU and come under the CE marking scheme:-
Active implantable medical devices
Appliances burning gaseous fuels
Cableway installations designed to carry persons
Eco-design of energy related products
Equipment and protective systems intended for use potentially explosive atmospheres
Explosives for civil uses
In vitro diagnostic medical devices
Noise emission in the environment
Non-automatic weighing instruments
Personal protective equipment
Radio and telecommunications terminal equipment
Safety of toys
Simple pressure vessels
All other products are not (and may not) be CE marked.
The current list of product groups and the relevant directives is here:, http://www.newapproach.org/Directives/DirectiveList.asp
Probably 3.4 Equipment for climbing, rock climbing, speleology etc. (ice-axes, hammers, descenders not fitted with a built-in speed-regulating system, rope-climbing equipment, etc.) since it is sold for use abseiling but a creative man could probably find another category like a door-stop for example!
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