/ Anyone got a Saab 9.3 Estate? Thoughts please
Seen a Saab 9.3 Wagon online, and it looks sweet as a nut. Full leather interior, low miles, FSH etc. Real tidy looking motor.
I've never owned a saab before, and realise they have a rep as a auld mans motor, but also heard they are bomb proof, and pretty damn reliable.
Anyone off here owned one? Any thoughts?
I considered buying another Saab but plumped for a Volvo Estate.
I understand that Saab hit financial problems and dealerships have closed. Someone with a better knowledge of the motor trade may be able to tell you the effect this may have on spare parts and servicing.
Saab have gone bust and no Saabs are being made now. Obviously this complicates the spare-part situation, but there are still vast numbers of Saabs around, so there will be parts available, but maybe made by third parties.
I've had a Saab 93 for over ten years (now at 156,000 miles) and am entirely happy with it. The only real drawbacks of a Saab are a bit worse fuel efficiency than some other cars and (as above) a bit higher parts/repair costs.
My mate owns a local garage, so servicing/repairs will go to his business. Mates rates etc.
Is your 93 a petrol or diesel?
Make of this what you will - the Saab 9-3 was offered as a company car by my partner's company, along with various German offerings. The cars are supposed to last three years, and whilst the BMWs and Audis were fine, apparently quite a few of the Saabs were pretty much falling apart at the end of three years.
That's just hearsay though - I find it a little hard to believe.
plenty of spare parts here
I nearly bought a Saab, until I looked at the fuel consumption figures!
Friend of mine has a Saab estate, not sure which model, but it's the 2.5 V6 - he says it's awesome, but can't afford the fuel bill if he lets his wife drive it!
General Motors closed Saab, but might have started funding them again, I don't know.
the 1.9 TTiD doesnt appear bad though.
It is thirsty on fuel (30mpg on a run), and since owning it for the last 8 months I have had some problems, all of which I hope are now sorted. These problems aside, I have no hesitation in saying that it's the best car I have ever owned.
In winter it is superb; the traction control does an incredible job of keeping 250bhp at the front wheels on the road without spinning all over the place. Great space in the back for the kids, full leather, heated front seats are lovely first thing on a cold morning, enormous boot, and all the usual Saab quirkiness (key by the handbrake, fantastic cup holder) to boot.
I did consider a 9-3, but preferred the look and extra capacity of the 9-5, and that was all. I don't think you'd be disappointed, just don't expect it to be as cheap to run as your Golf!
So, if you like it, the fact that SAAB no longer exists isn't a huge issue and may be getting you a lower price to buy than you would otherwise have had. The flip of that is that depreciation may well be worse than before. Mechanicals are largely vauxhall so not great but not bad and loads of shared parts so again that helps the long term will bits be available question. Its basically a fancy Vectra......
Depending on engine... as I say, the 210bhp petrol was fast and smooth but not as fast as I expected... and having driven a lot of 1.9 150bhp diesel vauxhalls if you get that engine in the SAAB it will be pretty brisk and not too thirsty. I've never tried the 1.9ttid which is a twin turbo with about 180bhp but I'm sure its nice with all the usual caveats that in my opinion, modern diesels are as prone to issues as petrol cars and are no longer the simple lumps they used to be... but then if they were, they wouldn't drive as nicely as they now do! So I have some reservations over reliability of diesels longer term these days. Probably not an option if you are looking at used but I'm trending (being sensible these days) towards buying a new Insignia diesel estate to replace my Signum as all vauxhalls now come with a 10 year first owner only warranty on it - and that I suspect will be worth its weight in gold as I can go for a high output diesel, 4 wheel drive thingy without major concerns over clutches, dual mass flywheels, fuel pumps, DPFs and assorted other gubbins that seem likely to blow up in diesels these days!
Was just wondering on reliability, drivability and practicality. We've got 2 dogs (large hounds) and a wee boy - So a trip out for the day is a logistical challenge in the Golf or Focus.
Aside from the fuel costs and tax, its a good deal - Low miles, and full saab service history. Its lot of car for the money. I think these things were 33k brand new!!
All first-rate in a Saab.
On costs.... towards the end I was deliberately driving pretty gently, largely an easy Dual carriageway and city commute and in the 2 litre was getting less than 30mpg and going through front tyres at the rate of a set every 12,000 miles. I'd have coped with those 2 stats if I was beasting it but as I was being gentle it got too painfull. The tyres on mine were over £200 a pop if you had to get one on spec, I tended to get them cheaper by ordering online which saved a bit but left me worrying about having to replace one (or a pair) on spec at huge expense (its all we've got mate, take it or leave it) if I had a blow out while away from home/on holiday...
The 2.8 will be a £400 per year (or more now?) tax disk and it uses high octane fuel (will take standard but not great for it apparently) so your mpg will be lower and cost per litre higher if you havn't spotted that one. Somewhere mid 08 the 2.8 went from about 250bhp to 280 with no reduction in mpg apparantly.... so really you want that one if you canget it!
But all that said, if mileage isn't huge and you go into it wanting fun and sod the bills I think they are lovely looking cars, full heated leather, really nice inside and big enough for what you want I suspect.....
Does it really need 98 Octane Fuel?
I also toyed with hirsch performance upgrades... a few hundred quid tweaks all the engines up a fair bit and were manufacturer warranty approved (may not be the case with the aftermarket warranty you are being offered though) - Hirsche stated that if I upgraded my 2.0 HOT it needed 98 to get the most of the benefits.....vs the 95 it ran on normally.
I'm sure theres an anorach forum for SAAB types that can answer the 'do I really need 98' question although I suspect like UKC the views will be massivly polarised to 'yes of course' - 'no don't be daft'.... ;-)
As for parts and specialist advice, Neo Bros (on that auction site) are excellent. Internet forums are plentiful; I mainly use www.uksaabs.co.uk or www.saabtechtalk.com. They're both full of enthusiastic, knowledgeable and friendly people who are happy to help. In the case of the latter website, it was down to them that I managed to ascertain what was wrong with my car. They are, in my opinion, an invaluable source of knowledge if you are as car-unsavvy as I am.
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