/ Camalot X4
70 Dollars is £45, not too bad? Seems to good to be true.
Anyone taking pre-orders for these yet? Will they be late march/early may in the US but way later in the UK?
hmm about the same as a C3 then...
I'm sorry what are you on about? You definitely can't as there not out yet...
I think I understand what you were on about now. Even so, where can you get camalot C4s (not x4s) for £36?
They aren't gonna sell very many in the UK for £75 each.
> They aren't gonna sell very many in the UK for £75 each.
I expect not, no. They'll probably settle around the £50-55 mark in the long run. I expect they'll be sell more in the US where climbers tend to be a bit more cam happy and happy to pay a premium for Black Diamond goods (even though they're not made in the US anymore!).
Yep, their price point in the UK has to be around £50 max. I would imagine the UK is their second biggest market outside the US. (Maybe canada?) In any case, the UK will be an important market to them, and they will price accordingly. Nearly 2x the price of a master cam isn't going to wash. People will pay a bit of a premium (People in the UK do love BD cams, me included), but not a ridiculous one.
also not too keen on master cams. I want these but could easily be priced out if i cant get a set deal for 300
Quite. I've been doing a bit of reading lately with a view to dragging my trad rack kicking & screaming from the 1980s into the 21st century, especially with regard something to replace my set of original forged Friends, some of whose lobes aren't quite as smoothly rounded as they once were.
In the course of researching this I got the general impression that a standard US rack is one set of wires and two sets of cams, whereas a standard UK trad rack is two sets of wires and one set of cams (and I personally wouldn't feel all that comfortable with only doubles of 1 to 4 wires)
The conclusion I reached btw was to order a set of Totem Cams, with a #5 Dragon to round out the top end & a #1 Mastercam to go slightly smaller at the low end (so la la la, I'm not listening to anything about how great the new Black Diamond small cams will be)
I was climbing with a guy at Red Rock and his rack was 40 cams and no nuts. I felt a bit lost!
I'm not sure I could get off the ground carrying 40 cams, I took 13 on a route once and regretted it as I felt like I was hauling an extra person!
I'm sure the cam-heavy nature of American racks has a genuine basis in the nature of the rock and isn't just materialism run wild.
40 cams is clearly excessive (except maybe for Indian Creek), but I suppose wires in sandstone might not be the best possible idea. I gather Metolius even make special "fat cams" for desert climbing of the vertical mud variety.
The idea was to make a selection of the more sutable sizes, not carry all of them! If you want to see a resonable sized rack then look at this thread http://www.mountainproject.com/v/rack-envy/107908160__1
> I'm sure the cam-heavy nature of American racks has a genuine basis in the nature of the rock and isn't just materialism run wild.
Yeah, it is mostly down to the rock in the major/most well known areas being better suited to cams, there is a small cultural aspect to it as a result but it's not from a materialistic point of view, for once.
Anyway, here's a real rack of cams: http://www.mountainproject.com/images/38/69/107983869_large_fb1dcb.jpg
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