/ My first Ski tour - Thank you Braemar Mountain Rescue et al.
* And Tayside MRT. And Rescue 131.
It is all rather smoothly edited but David is a braver man than me putting it up on the internet! :) If the falling of Aladdin's Mirror Direct video is anything to go by, you can expect a harsh ride!
David - when you first realised you weren't sure where you were, could you not just retrace your steps? Follow your own tracks back? The video at least give the impression that the weather was still quite good then. I know that navigating in the mist when skiing can be really hard as your skis seem to turn you to the fall line on their own and in thick cloud you can find yourself going in a very different direction quickly. Years back, I bought a wrist compass so I could check roughly that I was staying on bearing when skiing in bad conditions.
Now i think you owe it to the mrt members to get on a nav course,buy the books ,swot up and practice in the hills(with an experienced partner!).
All in all a nice film,a small f**k up and a great learning experience!
Bearings are mainly for when you can't see. When you have good vis you should be able to confirm your position by matching what you see to the map.
Lost in clear weather? As they say where I'm from 'that's a pure beamer'
Still, no harm done eh?
Cracking video and really nicley edited!
Very brave for posting up!
Another interesting video that didnt run as planned and we will all learn lessons from, fair play!!
Well, done MRT!!
If I made a total arse of myself and inconvenienced the RAF and a mountain rescue team I wouldn't be boasting about it on the internet.
People like you are why I gave up mountain rescue after 20 years, I had more to do with my time.
Personally, I think you should pay the helicopter costs.
Well done on the attention seeking.
I think the OP has stated he is embarrassed and wishes to thank those involved. i dont see any bragging or attention seeking here.
IMHO the the nav error was forgiveable but the inability to correct that shows an insufficient grasp of navigation skills.
However, by posting this the OP has allowed that discussion to take place, has learned something himself and so might some others who have read the thread.
never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who come out of the womb with an intimate knowlesge of mountaincraft who have never made an error in their time on the mountains.
I'm not above castigating those who's errors are down to arrogance, stupidity etc but this seems like an hoest error compunded by a bit of inexperience.
However it might be better for the OP to write in person to thank the assests involved, rather than do it publicy and provide you-tube evidence for all an sundry to interpret in whatever biased manner they choose......whch may of course in include the press look at this 'we keep saying not to go on the hill in winter, and look what happened to this chap...' sub text to the non-hill going public 'idiot'...they should all be banned!
Don't listen to the moaners and whingers. Well done for being honest and thanks for a great video. learning from our mistakes is how must us aquire our wisdom.
Hope you get some more tours in!
As with the AMD video, the Persian quotation Tilman quoted in his one of books springs to mind - "the wise man sits on the hole in his carpet"
This case seems to fit the bill quite well as the facts don't add up if examined carefully, and now we have a video posted of our hero for everybody to look at.
Having managed to get "lost" in good visibility why did the OP not just keep walking, all night if necessary instead of expecting others to give up their time, and indeed having a helicopter undertake an unnecessary flight. Helicopter flights always have an element of risk as I know from first hand experience and many countries would make people behaving irresponsibly like this pay for the cost of the flight.
OP perhaps a donation to the the local MR's involved will be a good step.
Glad you're safe, and can practice a bit more Nav
How did MRT find you, if you didn't know where you were? Genuine question!
Fair doos for putting that up and inviting comment but I think you made a fundamental mistake even before you set off on the hill - you thought you had enough experience to make sound judgements. It wasn't the lack of a bearing or otherwise, it was a lack of experience as a winter mountaineer (not the speed travelled on skis) that caught you out.
So before you go on the hill again, make sure you consider if you over extend yourself which you did this time.
I think presumed experience and a lack of real mountain experience is a factor in a fair few recent incidents. People think they are experienced because they have little to say they arent through peers or presumptions about winter in the Scottish Mountains.
Not being much of a winter mountaineer I hesitate to ask but: you've done a winter mountaineering course and you choose to go high level ski touring, in Scotland, in mid February and don't carry gloves?
Did I understand that correctly?
I can't watch the video at work, but I got caught out years ago when I first started, skiing in crap vis, not appreciating how fast you cover ground on skis. Ended up down into the wrong valley! (Bought a GPS subsequently!).
Don't listen to the grumpy buggers on this forum, learn from your mistakes
It's not grumpy, it's sensible. There are more and more people who believe they have the skills and experience to make informed choices in the hills. They often don't but don't know that they dont, to quote my namesake!
The basic problem with the OP was lack of sound mountain judgment which led to a situation where his lack of hill skills put him in a further problematic situation. The mistake happened before the skis left the road.
There's lots about your outing that i don't get, and apart from the obvious, I can't help wondering why you were carrying a blue rubber duck with you (about 1:08 into the clip), and not a GPS?
Agree with this, I think it applies to all outdoor adventerous activities. If you haven't done it before, go with somebody who has (or at least don't go on your own.)
Still, nobody's perfect (I've done some daft things in the past) and I'm glad you're OK.
Whats wrong with walking out it's hardly the middle of the polar ice cap?
How many of us have called the MRT when slightly lost?
Was this the intent from the start?
He's a young lad and I should imagine got a bit scared finding he was lost and on his own and without the skill to find his way back down. The filming was perhaps killing time while he waited for MR?
But sorry David, you're a muppet for posting your video on here :D (though I quite liked the way you had your skis over the map and the line of your ski tour).
Can your Uni club not organise a navigation and micro navigation course for it's members? And perhaps an avalanche awareness course also if you're going to get into ski touring?
Everyone makes mistakes.... but no gloves...?
honestly what is the world coming to? maybe that odious bint grace-elder has a point?!
please please please people, for the love of christ stop making these movies! its not doing our cause/freedom any good!!!
It's funny, but that was my first (involuntary) thought on seeing the video last night.
I log on to UKC for entertainment rather than educational purposes.
This video comes across as unintentional tragi-comedy.
It has some parallels with the Coen Bros Oscar winning Fargo. It is set in the snow and the characters seem helplessly drawn to disaster.
Seems only fair that the Barrat Bros watch all 94 minutes of Fargo in return for the 304 views x 2 mins 35 secs of viewing their production has had so far. Then tell us all, what lessons can be drawn from Fargo - cos the Coen Bros will never let on.
Everybody can get lost, I'm sure we have all been there in some respect.
Why's everyone worried about the press. Who cares what they print, just don't read it and let yourself be lied to!
There will always be accidents and mishaps, ignore them your a fool, instead learn by them.
You were always going to get the average UKC user trying to ruin your day even more. Ignore them, no doubt they didn't manage to get out over the weekend.
Is that a template for avoidance?
Would it not be better to follow & learn from the masters at this game?
Entertaining film which also puts some serious points over.
The masters of this game. Haha
One guess your a guide
I don't see why being solo is an issue..
You went out, had a go, screwed up, made a sensible decision and live to go again..
> The masters of this game. Haha
> One guess your a guide
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
Girl Guide maybe? Keep guessing.
Just love it don't you?
I am up for a bit of skiing at the mighty one this week before going back to work Monday. Get in touch.
A big eared skier
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