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Blizzard - on 26 Feb 2013
I watched Dispatches last night. ATOS are being paid a whopping 390 million quid for their work. Apparently only 0.5% of all disability claims are fraudulent. It was shocking, people in wheelchairs being forced to walk 200 metres as a means test for the PIP, the new name for DLA.(disability living allowance) My guess is that suicides might increase within the disabled community as benefits are withdrawn.
cuppatea on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard:

It's already happening.

The test for the high rate mobility has been moved from 50m to 20m.

It's been determined that ATOS get 40% of their decisions wrong. A French company, maybe no Brits were available.
Neil Williams - on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to cuppatea:

A French company with in-part British origins. Their UK origins come from British Rail Telecommunications, then Racal-BRT, then SEMA Group, then Schlumberger-Sema, ATOS Origin then ATOS.

Neil
cuppatea on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Neil Williams:

Thanks, Neil. British Rail DNA would explain some things.
Dauphin - on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to cuppatea:

Guess where ATOS are paying tax?

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cuppatea on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Dauphin:
> (In reply to cuppatea)
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> Guess where ATOS are paying tax?

Hmm. One of these places?

http://www.billshrink.com/blog/2441/15-of-the-worlds-most-significant-tax-havens/

Blizzard - on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to cuppatea:

Which one of those 15 is it then?
thin bob on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard:
...and (suspend bizarre filter), they've subcontracted some of their work back to the NHS! (in Scotland?)
confusicating on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard:

They have. Well, the amount that I have heard of. Lots of reports of people saying they will end their lives if their benefits are withdrawn, as they can't cope.

As well as that, the repeal process takes about 18 months. Which is plenty enough time for someones life to crumble around them as they try to hold everything together without benefits or mobility help or care services.

The 40% cuppatea mentioned is /without/ legal help. That rises when people can get lawyers involved.

cuppatea on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to confusicating:


I've mentioned this before, from April benefits will be ceased during the appeals process. The sheer number of people appealing esa decisions has led to a massive backlog. I'm assuming the same will happen with pips.
puppythedog on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard: They are utterly awful and not understanding of those with severe mental health problems and to my mind are untterly un-qualified/incompetent to assess the needs of the severely mentally ill.
Dauphin - on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to puppythedog:

Almost anyone with a registration working for them will be the dregs of that profession dr, nurse, physio whatever.

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cuppatea on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard:

I had to delete my last post. ATOS make me mad.
puppythedog on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Dauphin: They must be, is it too early in the thread to liken them to historic individuals within the framework of Godwin's law?
Dauphin - on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to puppythedog:

I've met a couple - definitely wouldn't employ them. Odd that you would employ 'a nurse' to do 'a medical' - I wonder if that is supposed to justify their actions to the public or the punter? Both? Tick box exercise I imagine.

D
puppythedog on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Dauphin: It's not about the profession. I'm a nurse and I do initial assessments individually which decide whether or not people are offered support from secondary specialist mental health services and I'm sure I could assess the level of disability with ATOS. The problem is the organisation, the contract and the awful rhetoric from those up on high about scroungers.
puppythedog on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard: And sometimes a specialist nurse is much better than a general doctor.
highclimber - on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard: ATOS are ineffective at best. The whole contract they have stinks and is not in the best interest of disabled people.
I suspect someone is either felating an MP or paying them a butt-load of money to lobby for them to get these contracts.

IIRC over 80% of all assesments done by atos that they deemed fit for work are challenged and a large amount of these are upheld costing the tax payer even more!
cuppatea on 26 Feb 2013
In reply to Blizzard:

The numbers are huge.

0.5% of DLA claims are fraudulent, but I heard today that ATOS have been set the target of reducing the number of DLA claimants by 25%

monkeys on 27 Feb 2013
In reply to highclimber:
AIUI from Govt own figures, 60% of appeals won when conducted in person. A hollow victory though when candidates then reassessed, 'failed' again, and back on the appeals treadmill. Seems deliberately and thoroughly vile
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