/ Which headtorch?
I have narrowed it down to the Petzl Myo XP and the Black Diamond Icon.
Which of these would you recommend, and why? Are there any other similarly beefy lamps I should look at?
Lenser H7R.... its the dogs danglies for a fraction of the price of the Petzl
You can get h7's on ebay, search ' cree zoom head' for luke 6 quid?
Also consider Princeton Tec Apex
icons are good but really heavy. unless you really need 200 lumens, consider something at about 100 which will be lighter, fit in a pocket and on a helmet better.
It appears that the entire led lenser range is made in the same factory / is effectively identical to the chinese led headtorches. For confirmation, go to led lensers website and look at the h11; then go back to ebay and notice the same torch, same moulding, same band, same cables, all with options of battery and for 14 quid.
This is from someone who owns an h7r, likes it, but was dismayed to discover the above.
I have an "ebay knockoff H7" (Item 121027296268 looks identical).
It's cheap, light, takes AAAs and bright enough to be visible on Carreg Wastad from the road.
I've not tried lithium batteries, but I believe it can use them (just based on a quick internet serch)
On ebay i have just found a Cree Q5 for £6 and a Cree XP-G R5 for £12. They are cheap chinese imports.
I dont have a good headtorch (just a simple led one like a tikka) and i was thinking of upgrading soon, is it worth buying one of these cheap knockoffs (i cant really afford a £50 lenser)? Do they rinse batteries/ not work properly/ die quickly etc or are the ok? I understand the 600 lumen statement on the R5 is obviously not true but even if it put out 50 lumens that would be good. I Guess even a cheap cree headtorch is going to be better than my old LED one... opinions?
See the ebay number in my previous post.
"Cree" is just the manufacturer of the LED chip, "XP-G" or "XM-L" are the type of LED while the "Q5", "T6" or similar is to do with the variations in quality of those chips.
Each chip may be used in lots of different headtorch design (both full-price and knockoff), you just have to work off the image on the ebay listing to work out what you might be getting.
Another vote for the myo xp. fantastic bit of kit
Fenix HP10, 225 Lumens in 3mins highest mode, mid mode 70 lumens (like petzl in highest boost mode), IPX 8 so you can even swim with this headlamp, made of aircraft-grade aluminum
I've ordered this, even if it does out to be naff £6 is nothing to risk on finding out. If that happens I will order the Lenser.
If, as it appears, it is the exact same thing then I guess that shows how much of a markup there is on Led Lenser headtorches...
Thanks everyone for advice.
I have the new 205 lumen Myo Rxp
Brilliant lamp and u can get it for £50 if I've a keen eye, I also have the
200 lumen B/D icon which is brighter with a better light pattern however its heavy,bulky needs 4AAs and doesn't last long on Max output, can't beat the Myo Rxp for
All round usage. New tikka xp2 is decent as is the Alpkit gamma
Maybe best to wait as they've got a new gamma update on the way
I've a Myo RXP and no complaints, seems a nice balance of bulk, weight and brightness. Plus being regulated the output is more consistent.
A mate has a Fenix HP20, and it seems very good. Deffo brighter than the Myo, and cheaper with comparable battery life, but a fair bit bulkier and heavier.
A look at the LED Lenser, or even biking helmet lamps may be worth it - some silly power on the biking ones but less flexibility with batteries etc.
I'd completely agree. 100 lumens is more than sufficient. I'd even go as far as saying that 50-70 lumens regulated output is far more useful in the real world than 100+ unregulated.
I'm currently using a Petzl Zipka +2 with Petzl Core Li-Ion batteries for regulated output. It is the previous 50 lumen version, but I find it more than sufficient for anything I'd want to do climbing or mountaineering related.
It is not the cheapest option, but given that the latest version now has a 70lumens output with better battery life, I really struggle to see why most climbers or mountaineers would want anything larger or heavier.
I've got a Life Sysetems one (70 lumens). Much cheaper than Petzl, Black Diamond etc. Excellent, non fiddly battery container (in contrast with Petzl's which are always a nightmare with cold hans in the dark). I am very happy with it for all use.
I have a Fenix HL30. Goes up to 200 lumens which is nice to have if necessary but most of the time I use it on low.
What I really like is how it uses 2 AA batteries rather than odd numbers of AAAs which are lower energy density and more of a faff. But it is small enough to be an all in one design rather than having batteries round the back. A!so waterproof and cost me about £30 on Amazon.
Only downside is occasionally catching the torch on the rock when looking up from your feet - changing the angle a bit.
The newer version seems a bit more compact at the front, so might solve this.
I've accidentally thrown the new icon 10m onto rocks inside a rope bag - no problems :)
I have a BD Icon and it's great.
The 'Polar' version has a remote battery pack so you won't even notice the weight of the lamp on you head.
The dimming function is very good, has a lock mode so you won't waste battery if the button is acidently pressed in your pack.
Batteries last ages, also give an indication of the power left. I have used my icon for about 5 or 6 weekends away in dark bothies and huts, hours of early walk ins, hours of late walk outs, around the house etc and still on the first set of batteries.)
i've just bought a Cree XM-L T6 headtoprch off ebay item number 400417798838 for £18. I've read a quite a few reviews of various cheap import headtorches and this seems to be the best in terms of power/ light throw/ build <-they all seem rubbish, this is apparently a bit better.
One complaint i have read a few times is that the li-ion 18650 batteries are a bit of a lucky dip. Some are fine others are terrible, i suppose i will just have to wait and see...
I should hopefully get it by the weekend.
Surprised no-one has mentioned the Petzl Nao (altho' I suspect it may be something to do with the price...)
However, if you can run to it, it's currently by far the best thing out there for mountaineering, biking, fell running - the lot.
Even though it's only a few grammes heavier, it makes things like the Myo RXP look like a candle (those extra lumens really are useful in poor visibility at night when you're trying to pick out descents from mountains).
Despite some initial scepticism, the reactive technology turns out to work a treat and battery life is excellent. The USB connector makes it a doddle to recharge just about anywhere these days - including the cigarette lighter socket in a car.
It's also extremely well designed with big chunky on-off switch for gloved hands, a fool-proof lock-out mechanism so it won't come on in your 'sac and an ingenious cinch mechanism for transport and storage so you never get your head band in a twist again.
I'd not been a fan of Petzl torches for many years, thinking they'd lost their way a bit with fiddly little buttons and poor build quality and had preferred American designs such as Princeton Tec or BD. But they seem to have have come storming back with this - I think it really is a game changer.
in my local branch of Robert Dyas for £9.99 a couple of years ago and found it's just as bright as my LED Lenser H7 which cost £42. Both use the 3W Cree LED.
The Robert Dyas one only has full power/half power/flashing/off settings, unlike the Lenser where you can vary the power level to any level you like, but for £6.99 (current price) in a High Street shop I think it's a bargain. Takes 3 AAA (alkaline or rechargeable.) It has a headband which includes an extra strap going across the top of the head making it quite secure despite the weight of the batteries at the front (LED Lenser has a separate battery pack at the back of the head).
I think Robert Dyas stores are all in the SE and Midlands. Standard postage at £4.99 bumps the price up to £11.98, so not such a bargain if you can't visit a store.
Anyone who bigs up the nao is self-justifying all the way to the bank.
I've had the Myo XP for over a year now and can't fault it. Very, very bright, fully customisable, easy to use and comfy to wear. Battery life is great too.
The Nao is indeed the king of head torches, though i'd think twice before shelling out for one at this time of year, put aside 15 quid a month and splash out on one in October.
All the way away from the bank, surely?
I really like my Mammut Lucido TX-1
Relatively small and light weight.
Has a spot and a flood. The spot is very powerful and can illuminate things up to 80-100 meters away. Good battery life. The lens rotates into a covered position to keep the glass from getting dinged and scratched when in your pack.
I have narrowed it down to the Petzl Myo XP and the Black Diamond Icon.
Which of these would you recommend, and why?
Don't get the Myo, it feels very much like a squashed nutrigrain elevenses bar in the top of your rucksack. If you can't see why this may be a problem then I suggest you attempt to decend rough ground by the light of a nutrigrain bar.
Gammas OK but high failure rate
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