It's been asked to death, I know, I've searched! But I want advice for me I'm after a lightweight (> 3kg) 4 season, 2 person tent. Uses will be year round: Scottish winter, Dartmoor, Alps (summer/winter) etc. Now I understand that price here will be an issue, but £250 is my budget.
In reply to Mr-Cowdrey: I'm afraid I'd say your asking the impossible.
A Terra Nova Ultra Quasar is pretty much what you're specifying as soon as you say sub-3kg and genuine 4-season performance. However you are looking at a minimum of perhaps £450 even on sale. Other options that meet that criteria are the Hilldeberg Jannu (more expensive) and MSR Fury (possibly cheaper) although in both cases they are single porch designs. None of them have snow valances which might be an issue for Alpine Winter use but they are a pain the rest of the time and probably best avoided anyway.
However, with an Ultra Quasar you are looking at ultra-light poles, fly and groundsheets which aren't going to be that durable in the long term. [I always use a groundsheet protector and I am on my 2nd flysheet, 2nd set of poles and the inner has been back to TN for repair.] Equally, you will undoubtedly find that the tent (along with the Jannu, Fury etc.) is still overly heavy for the 80% of the time you are camping from Spring through to Autumn. I now haven't used my Ultra Quasar for several years now and generally use a light TNF backpacking tent.
If you are happy to relax the weight limit upward then both the standard Quasar and the Alpkit Kangri http://www.alpkit.com/tents/kangri are worth considering. Although you will still need to pay £300+ (rather than £400+).
However, I'd probably suggest looking at some quality 3-season tents. First, they are massively better value for money. Second, they will be more suitable for much (although not all) of what you want do.
I personally dislike the 3-4 season rated Trisar linked to above. I've used them extensively recently and whilst I can't fault them in terms of value for money, I find them poorly designed in several aspects, notably their profusion of guylines which seem to hinder rather than help.
In reply to Mr-Cowdrey:
If you are both small, the Vaude Power Oddyssee is certainly tough and light enough, and can often be found on-line for your budget (I managed). But it is a tight squeeze for two big blokes - I wouldn't try sharing with another big person.
In reply to Mr-Cowdrey: trisar nice tent, but not 4 season, want you want is something like the quasar design, in a light weight fabric to meet your weight requirement, i'd consider low use second hand ultra quasar?
> MRS Hubba Hubba. There you may stop searching. don't ask, just buy. You won't regret it.
Only 3 issues:
1 - The OP would undoubtedly want the Hubba Hubba HP version designed for wetter UK/European conditions. The standard Hubba Hubba is well known to perform poorly in driving rain.
2 - The Hubba Hubba HP will probably cost over £250.
3 - They are both definitely 3-season, not 4-season tents.
Other than that, they are great tents and the Hubba Hubba HP would probably be my current 2nd choice for a mid-range 3-season, 2-man UK backpacking tent after a TNF Tadpole 2 DL.
In reply to Mr-Cowdrey: Think laterally about getting it under £250? For example, Cotswold Outdoor do 20% off their listed price with the right discount codes...that way you can get a £300 tent for £250.
Or buy last year's model in a sale? Tents are often massively reduced.
Mrs Hindu has the Tadpole and has used it a lot in the swiss alps up to 2800m or so in spring and autumn and has nothing but good things to say about it, especially where internal space in concerned. Nice tent and a good price.
> It's been asked to death, I know, I've searched! But I want advice for me I'm after a lightweight (> 3kg) 4 season, 2 person tent. Uses will be year round: Scottish winter, Dartmoor, Alps (summer/winter) etc. Now I understand that price here will be an issue, but £250 is my budget.
A perennial, but impossible, question this one. And a perennial, but always relevant, point that I don't think has been made on the thread thus far is this: light, tough, cheap - you can only ever have two.
So time to think about what compromises you'll make and that means thinking a little more about how you intend to use your tent. Is it going to be a basecamp, pitched in a relatively sheltered valley campsite where most of the time you're only going to be carrying it from the car to your pitch, or do you intend using it for backpacking, pitching it in the Valle Blanche and staying out in weather when people of greater sanity are going to be in the pub? Is it going to be used by you on your own most of the time or will there be two people in it? How tall are you?
If you're going to use it as a basecamp then you're best off forgetting tents that weigh less than spit and cost a lot; look for something that you can sit up in comfortably as well as lie down in. This makes a big difference when you've got a few days of rain during an alpine trip, for instance, as lying down all day in your pit and cooking in the porch gets a bit tiresome. This http://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/eos-350-p183850 is cheap and will work just as well as anything else most of the time; for £100 it's good value.
In reply to Mr-Cowdrey: Well in the end I narrowed it down to the MSR Hubba Hubba HP, Marmot Grid 2P, Mountain Equipment Dragonfly 2XT and Terra Nova Voyager Superlite.
And I went for........
The Terra Nova Voyager Superlite.
Reason behind this being that it's 1.5kg, 3-4 season and I found it for £250. If I hadn't found it for that cheap then I would have gone for the MSR Hubba Hubba HP, with the Marmot grid and ME Dragonfly a close joint 3rd. Shame about the prices being £300+ for the last 3.
In reply to MtnGeekUK: After 20+ years of wild camping, I'm pretty unconvinced tents really need to go up outer first. Inner pitch first tend to be tighter pitched and less flappy as a result. Obviously you need to practice a bit to get a system for getting up quickish, but normally its only a minute or two until you chuck the fly over.
Tents like Hilleberg that you pitch inner and outer together are great though. Best of both worlds I guess.
In reply to MtnGeekUK: it needn't though, I have pitched my quasar in a Hoolie on the Ben with snow blowing all over the place, and got tent up with no wet inner, same in driving rain in langdale the inner is resistant enough to deal with the short time it is exposed.