/ CNN On Rape Victim - Unbelievable sympathy for rapist victims!

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Jimbo W on 19 Mar 2013
Someone showed me this report today at work in which there is an unbelievable sympathy for two rapists:

http://www.upworthy.com/cnn-pays-touching-tribute-to-the-rapists-who-attacked-a-16-year-old-girl?g=2

Why were they due this sympathy? Because they are football stars! Because they've ruined their educational prospects! etc

Please someone tell me that this is an outlier / unusual in the US....
ablackett - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:

It was a report about the sentencing, not the crime.

There isn't many opinions in the report, just facts.
deepsoup - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:
There are more disturbing aspects to that Steubenville case too.
Eg: Er... http://truth-out.org/news/item/13878-how-anonymous-hacking-exposed-steubenville-high-school-rape-cas...
andyathome - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:
I think your post title is a bit wrong? You mean 'unbelievable sympathy for rapists'?
marsbar - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to andyathome: I think that it reflects that the rapists are being treated as victims by certain parts of the media.
Eric9Points - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:

I listened to the first five minutes and wouldn't class the report as sympathetic as such. I think it was more "these two young men have thrown away their lives by committing this crime, what a waste."



Jimbo W on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to andyathome:

> I think your post title is a bit wrong? You mean 'unbelievable sympathy for rapists'?

No, I meant it like that.. ..because they're being portrayed like victims in the CNN report.
Jon Stewart - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to ablackett:
> (In reply to Jimbo W)
>
> It was a report about the sentencing, not the crime.
>
> There isn't many opinions in the report, just facts.

That seems quite an odd take on it to me. It's not about opinions vs. facts, it's about angle. The angle of the report is all about the tragedy affecting these two lads, the rapists, whereas it could equally have chosen to focus on the evil of their crime and the affect on the victim. I'm quite surprised that this is ignorable to anyone.

I think it's a bizarre way to report a rape case - I don't want to extrapolate the implications as in "all americans must think that..." but it does not say good things about the social values of the broadcasters and the audience who swallow it.
whispering nic - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to ablackett: There is nothing very objective about the CNN report. It is a plea for the convicted rapists which is shockingly ambivalent about the victim and the rest of her life.
gd303uk - on 19 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W: CNNs coverage of this story is disturbing.
The tweets on this page show a lack of sympathy for the victim,
http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/
aln - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to gd303uk:
> (In reply to Jimbo W)> http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

That's a great service for showing up morons.
NickD - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to aln:
> That's a great service for showing up morons.

So's UKC.
Alyson - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W: Thoughtful piece in the New Yorker

http://tinyurl.com/cr5xqje

especially about this idea of their lives being 'ruined' and what criteria that is (or should be) judged on.

It sounds like a serious and prolongued assault, and also - worryingly - it seems at least one of the boys didn't think it counted as rape unless she was conscious (and presumably trying to fight him off).
IainRUK - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W: This and the ken barlow incident..

I can 'understand' the basis of sympathy for these guys.. kids screwed up their lives in a few moments of horrific actions.. but they were 16-17.. not 'kids'.. at that age we knew right from wrong and his response shows he knows the magnitude of what he did.


Its one year at least, out by 21 as I understand.


IainRUK - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to gd303uk:
> (In reply to Jimbo W) CNNs coverage of this story is disturbing.
> The tweets on this page show a lack of sympathy for the victim,
> http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

what a horrible page
Tony Naylor on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to gd303uk:
> (In reply to Jimbo W) CNNs coverage of this story is disturbing.
> The tweets on this page show a lack of sympathy for the victim,
> http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

reading that, it struck me that most of the people posting were young and they were rabidly anti-alcohol (not to mention casual about rape). The idea seems to be that if you're female and you drink, you want to be raped. Weird beyond words.
Siward on 20 Mar 2013
Sarah G on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to Siward:
and in the comments sectn, swizzle75ian is digging an ever deeper hold for himself as he shows his true cololurs. A true unreconstructed misogynist. I dont know whether to laugh or track him down so I can warn everyone in his immediate circle about him. I bet him mum is proud (!)

Sx
Alyson - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to Sarah G: Wow - I've just read that. What a truly horrifying individual.
muppetfilter - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to Sarah G: from one report I read it claimed one of the accused mothers was involved with the local prosecutors office and directly pressured the victim not to follow up the rape report... A horrible story and I guess they will soon be on the other end of sexusl assault in Prison.
Jimbo W on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to aln:

> That's a great service for showing up morons.

Very shocking, but as with my original question, I presume that this is a minority thing and not representative. I've never been to the US, but I've never encountered people who think like this...
Jimbo W on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to Alyson:


> especially about this idea of their lives being 'ruined' and what criteria that is (or should be) judged on.
>
> It sounds like a serious and prolongued assault, and also - worryingly - it seems at least one of the boys didn't think it counted as rape unless she was conscious (and presumably trying to fight him off).

Yes, that's a lot more reasonable reporting and analysis.
Jimbo W on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to IainRUK:

> (In reply to Jimbo W) This and the ken barlow incident..
>
> I can 'understand' the basis of sympathy for these guys.. kids screwed up their lives in a few moments of horrific actions.. but they were 16-17.. not 'kids'.. at that age we knew right from wrong and his response shows he knows the magnitude of what he did.

Yes. I'm all for a degree of empathy for what these sh1ts are now facing (is that not the presumed basis of the "deterrent effect") and trying to comprehend some of the reasons why people could do this (because I'm pretty concerned to try and prevent an environment or society occurring where such behaviour can happen and be let happen by onlookers. Turning these guys into victims is something else entirely. They are the victims of their own nasty uncontrolled urges and a lack of empathy for others, they deserve the full penalty of the law, and in my view 1 year is unlikely to achieve much reformation of these characters.

BTW, who / what is the Ken Barlow incident?
ebygomm - on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:

> BTW, who / what is the Ken Barlow incident?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21843139
marsbar - on 20 Mar 2013
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TryfAndy on 20 Mar 2013
In reply to IanMcC:

I'm not normally a big fan of Laurie Penny, but that article is superb. Hits the nail on the head.

Why should the sick little bastards involved get any sympathy because they potentially had 'promising careers' playing American Football? They lost any right to sympathy the moment they raped somebody.

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