In reply to Steve nevers: Just been for a fitting, what an experience, about 27 pairs/sizes later and turns out my feet are basically a cross between chisels and flippers. My opinions so far on the ones worth mentioning..
Tried 5.10 Anasazi whites, the VCS, the Verde, the new Stoneland and the Blackwing.
Whites and VCS: crippling fold on the lower three toes, no support whatsoever on the big toe.
Verde: Slightly wider toebox but still sod all support on the big toe/point.
Stoneland: Just bloody weird. toes at an odd angle compared to the way it holds the rest of your foot, almost like its trying to bend your foot sideways in the middle. Also one shoe of a pair had a forward facing toe point, the other it was basically on the side of the big toe? These are new on the shelves last week apparently if noones heard of them yet.
Blackwing: Best fit of the lot, could imagine it being good if they had a half size smaller,which they don't. If they did £60 would be a bargain, at £115 everywhere else not so sure.
Tenyaya Masai: Seems to be basically a clone of the 5.10 whites but with the older 5.10 style heel, fit for me is just as bad as the shoes they are mimicking.
La Spotiva Katana lace ups: odd fit again, tight in the wrong places, unsupportive where i need it.
Scarpa Vapour V XSG2: Seemed like a winner until 3 mins of the instore wall gave me a groove in my achilles so badly they still hurt now 2 hours later. A long session in them could be crippling.
Evolv Geshido SC: Strangely after my previous experience with Evolvs, Another potential winner, but have to wait till they get a 8.5 in, 8s where impossible to even get my foot into, 9s left a little to much space on the big toe, apart from that could be a great fit. Going back later in the week when the shop gets a few half sizes sent down.
So seems 5.10s or anything that copies their lasts is out, But there is a shop nearby that stocks some Red Chillis and other Evolvs so going to go check them out tomorrow. Any recommendations for any of their models or even any makes i may have over looked?