/ Most Remote spot in England ?
I'm guessing it'll be in Northumberland or N. Yorks somewhere but no idea beyond that.
Over to you UKH.
Fur Tor on Dartmoor has to be one of the most remote spots in the south.
It's about 10 miles in Scotland excluding islands.
A couple of forums have it as a point on Ruadh Stac Beag, 7 miles.
My first thought was somewhere like The Cheviot but there's a minor road that gets within about 3Km of it. I'd suggest somewhere round the back of High Cup Nick or Dufton Fell.
It's surprising just how far in to "wilderness" areas public roads go.
That's in Scotland, no?
Won't be that remote, better would be furthest from habitation.
Bleaklow is certainly more confusing in all those strange gullies.
I don't think Fur Tor's far off though.
How about the middle of Skiddaw Forest also?
Is Lundy or other islands allowed?
I think Caw in the south west lakes is more remote than Skiddaw Forest. Fur Tor sort of area also looks good, and some places southeast of Cross Fell. Some stuff in Northumberland (not Kielder Forest but that bit south west of it) is a long way from the road too, but loses points for being full of forestry tracks and mountain bike trails.
Bleaklow feels a lot more remote than it really is - the bus to King's Tree plus the A628 across the north side mean that you're never actually that far from a road as the crow flies.
Yes it is. He was answering my comment.
For Scotland thats for a metalled road according to OS so not sure if that still allows for some other public roads (as opposed to green roads)
It's about 10 miles.
Many years ago I camped right in the middle of Dufton Fell in the firm belief that it was the most remote spot in England, but I don't think I ever actually measured it. It was a quiet few nights.
It's only 5 miles to the road at Corrour Lodge. The road through Strath Ossian is a private estate road but still metalled if I remember rightly. I had thought of the Monaliadth but there are estate roads that drastically cut down the distances.
> Fur Tor on Dartmoor has to be one of the most remote spots in the south.
Dartmoor probably the main contender overall I'd have thought
Surely Dufton Fell and the Howgills (as someone has suggested higher up) is more genuinely remote than Dartmoor?
> Surely Dufton Fell
Just 3km from a road?
Fur tor looks about 4km from a road to me, not measured on a map though.
My guess is somewhere in the N Pennines, having grown up there. You have also to consider the type of road you might have as the nearest.
For instance the main road from Weardale into Cumbria is higher than the Bealach na Ba
One man's track is another man's gravel road. You can drive on it with any normal road car - assuming you've a reason to go into the lodge, like renting the accommodation.
But what about the road up great dun fell, that can't be more than a couple of miles from Cross Fell.
Having done a quick check with my dividers using a 1" to 4 Mile scale map, the two nearest contenders for the remotest place in England from a tarmac/public road are likely to be:-
a) a place around half way between OH ME EDGE & MONKSIDE Just north of Kielder Water in the southern Cheviots. at just about 4.75 miles from the nearest public road.
b) a place approximately 3 miles north of Cross Fell, but this is probably only just 4.5 miles from the nearest road.
(Sorry - no grid refs.
But to my surprise Dartmoor comes a close third with a spot about half a mile east of Great Kneeset, this being 4.25 miles from the nearest road.
> Bleaklow feels a lot more remote than it really is - the bus to King's Tree plus the A628 across the north side mean that you're never actually that far from a road as the crow flies.
The area around Bleaklow Stones, West End Head and Grinah Stones is about 3 1/2 km from nearest road. Amazing, considering where it is in England.
Pretty sure A Mhaighdean in Fisherfield is the most remote munro and that it's further than 15k from a metalled road (unless it's measured as the crow flies across a lot of water) - maybe someone else can confirm?
I did a google map check yesterday and this area did seem pretty remote, although when you say near kielder, I assume you mean 4.75 miles from kielder, as there's a road right up to the mountain bike place
> Fur tor looks about 4km from a road to me, not measured on a map though.
About 6.5km I think.
Possibly not the most remote spot on Dartmoor, but regularly referred to as the most remote tor as opposed to nondescript bit of bog I suppose.
Fur Tor's worth a visit. It feels a little like being out of sight of the land at sea out there as there are very few other prominent tors in sight and very little else on the horizon besides moor; so little concept of scale to the eye. The horizon seems to roll and shimmer. Great place, very beautiful, very wild.
Gone and done a bit of online mapping and my grid reference would be roughly around Wether lair at 702965. BUT. I noticed that there are one or two buildings named as Wainhope just to the north east of Kielder (not on my small scale map) which if they are accessed by public road and not forestry, makes my claim a little less accurate.
NB I did assume that the road up to Kielder water was public.
You might like to read this http://davidwperry.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/most-remote-places.html about a couple of the world's most remote spots. (I've been privileged enough to have been to two of them!)
No-one's mentioned Ladhar Bheinn yet. Surely the bit of tarmac at Inverie can't be considered a 'road' in this context.
In the Lakes i'd go with Dan's suggestion of the Caw/Haycock area.
A quick look suggests the source of the Tywi is approx 3.5 miles from the road in any direction. I can't think of any larger expanse in Wales without roads.
It is somewhere near Cranmere Pool on Dartmoor. I seem to recall measuring it as 6.75 km from the nearest tarmac or house. Beats everywhere else by quite a bit as I remember.
Please note the OP asked for 'England'. I doubt anyone's nav and map skills if they mention anywhere in Scotland or Wales.
Most basic of errors - get the right country!
Indeed - if you follow the chain of "in reply to"s, someone started wondering about Wales. There's also been discussion of Scotland in the thread as well.
> It is somewhere near Cranmere Pool on Dartmoor. I seem to recall measuring it as 6.75 km from the nearest tarmac or house. Beats everywhere else by quite a bit as I remember.
It depends if you include the army ring road as "tarmac" as it is in many places?
The most remote on Dartmoor is usually cited as being Cut Hill, although thats a pretty ugly lump by comparison with Fur Tor!
Assuming you mean the east coast of England, where roughly do you think it might be 'remote'?
Not bad, but a direct line from Maesnant (Nant y Moch) to the Dylife road near Glaslyn is 5.8 miles. A central location there is over 3 miles distant from either the Hafren or Hengwm roads though, so it could be a second place.
> Assuming you mean the east coast of England, where roughly do you think it might be 'remote'?
There's places in Essex that 'feel' remote, rather than in actuality. Foulness Island springs to mind. Okay so they're no distance from a road & in fact have plenty of roads running through them along with houses, agriculture, nuclear power stations! But they can feel remote, in place and time.
Actually, if the ferries aren't running then the tip of Orford Ness is a very long walk from the road.
> One man's track is another man's gravel road. You can drive on it with any normal road car - assuming you've a reason to go into the lodge, like renting the accommodation.
How someone can suggest Dartmoor is beyond me. Miles from a public road is irrevelant really. Remote location is all about how long it takes to both WALK in and out and if any difficult river crossings could cause problems...Letterewe Forest for me has it all in terms of remoteness, especially in the dark cold days of winter.
If Dartmoor is beyond you then I'd suggest you don't understand remote places in ENGLAND (as per the OP)!
It is the same distance inand out isn't it?
One of the fastest rising watercourses in ENGLAND is also supposedly on Dartmoor so I've been told.
Ahem, Killhope Cross is 627m and that supposedly makes it one of the highest roads in england. I seem to remember that there are one or two high roads between Teesdale and Weardale that might be higher but I can't remember which - It's a while since I lived in the area and it was 2/3 of a lifetime ago at least!
BTW I speak of the B N B from the perspective of having dwelt in Applecross for a while in the 80s, and have walked and cycled home to the Estate office house on a number of occasions in the days when you met hardly a soul in those hills
> Have you seen the prices!!!
Yes it does look rather expensive, especially for the more luxurious rentals. A work colleague has stayed there and has another booking shortly, I think they take one of the less salubrious cottages and shared between several people it's not that bad. So she says.
I must admit, when I discovered how high the Killhope road was I was quite surprised as I'd assumed the Applecross one was higher.
Cycling home to Stanhope seemed to be downhill all the way!
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