/ Cheating Stones!
There is a pile below one of the sport routes at Winspit, can't remember the name though.
Rampant Love Jugs is the route where piling rocks under the start is "cheating".
Dry Time Climb and It Can't be Denied at Hedbury often have small cairns underneath to assist with the start.
This wins hands down I bet
The Reemergence block at Burbage has a route where using stones to start a route at it's left hand end is commented on as not being allowed in one of the guides.
I can remember there being stones lying around where people would stand.
No, but this is Northumberland where the first 3 or 4 metres don't actually contribute to the grade, because you should be hard enough just to jump off! :-)
Saxon, Carn Kenidjack? If I recall correctly the level of the boulder beach is a bit variable.
None of those ring a bell, I think it might have been on limestone.
On Green Death I always traversed in or got a bunk-up (so to speak), Tacitation is a bugger but it wasn't that - using cheating stones in the Cooonty is liable to get you banished!
Have you been to Chapel Head Scar since the tree fell down?
Windhover always used to have a pile of rubble under the start but that may just been the bits that fallen off that day!
An upturned bucket was used to start Undertow at Reiff.
These piles of stones are at Isili in Sardinia - http://www.ukclimbing.com/images/dbpage.html?id=219702
They are (were in 2002) held together by expanding foam.
It was definitely the norm in the late 60s-late 70s for there to be a little pile of stones to help do the starts of those hard 5Cs at the very far right end of Harrison's Rocks, The Rift and Witch's Broomstick. IIRC, Ian McNaught-Davies had his own personal pile of stones to start The Rift.
Is it Bowles Rocks?
You can see the small pile of stones in the middle.
Verandah buttress @ Stanage? S 5b!
Nope. Never been to Harrisons (really!) or Isili, and certainly wouldn't use a pile of stones on Stanage! ;-)
Must be somewhere ultra-obscure!
Where was that classic John Allen (at least I think it was him, buckling up his helmet and stood on a pile of stones?) photo taken? Was it Edge Lane?
An old classic starting off a pile of stones - actually the remains of a wall - was Cave Arete Indirect at Laddow. I think the stones may have gone now.
Standing on the Lancashire Brick Guidebook would usually get you past the crux on most routes in the Lancashire Quarries.
There's a route with an undercut start at Baume Rousse used to have a knotted rope from the first bolt.
> An upturned bucket was used to start Undertow at Reiff.
Was it Dave Birkett who did it first without the bucket?
> Where was that classic John Allen (at least I think it was him, buckling up his helmet and stood on a pile of stones?) photo taken? Was it Edge Lane?
You are thinking of the photo in Chris Allott's album. Someone spots it and says it is Green Death Millstone, then Chris confirms it.
The wall is still there and used ! at least it was last year
This one. So it's Green Death not Edge Lane?
Flake Wall bowden doors?
its not a pile of stones its a small boulder in this case people climb on and then bridge out. As this is northumberland were the guidebooks ignores the start you get an interestin diff 5a.
Exhibition Wall, Mt York, Blue Mountains?
> This one. So it's Green Death not Edge Lane?
Yep, that's the one I mean. To be honest I don't know why he is on the stones there's a bolt right behind his head.
> This wins hands down I bet
Ha ha... Class Stevo...
To be honest, I'm not sure I understand.
Honeymoon Crack at Ravensheugh had a pile of stones at the start last time i visited, E36b or E15b with the traditional shoulder/combined tactics
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