/ Stitching the tails of the water knot
regular stitching wont be a problem (thats how sewn slings are joined...). its worth noting it doesnt need a lot of stitching, just a row or two, its not bar tacking.
that said, needverts beer knot is a great one (new to me too). so maybe belt-n-braces it and stitch the tails in that case too.
> the beer knot is an interesting way to join webbing.
I just stuffed doubled-over short dyneema slings through the stems of my old forged friends. Looks like I should have been more ambitious.
In the days when quick draws were hand tied, mine were all sewn down by hand and that worked well. The only thing you have to watch is that instead of the tails working through, the whole knot will loosen.
A purist may tell you that you should use a ball point needle rather than a sharp needle so as not to cut any fibres, but that will make absouletly no practical difference
Another option is to half hitch the tails and sew them to them selves, slightly bulkier but also probably a bit stronger and creeping doesn't matter as much as the half hitches just tighten slightly. I did all my cams about 5 years ago like this and they are still going strong with no problems.
> On a related note, the beer knot is an interesting way to join webbing. Much slower to tie but no tails flapping about.
I wonder how strong it is? Probably similar to a tape knot, not being able to see the state of the knot properly would worry me though.
My preferred option is to simply double a 30cm sling. The doubled sling is inserted into some tubed webbing cut to measure which keeps the strands together and protects them too. No knots therefore much stronger and safe to use dyneema.
but its not so easy to further extend the cam then is it?
I used to just tape the ends with electrical tape or duck tape. After all you're just stopping slippage, it's not a fundamental strength point.
Saves any possible worries about needles and stitches
A Double Fisherman's Knot in normal, tubular tape tightens up well and does not suffer the loosening problem of the Water Knot; you don't need to worry about sewing the ends then.
the tape knots on my cam slings are welded tight, they will never come undone! I very much doubt they slip much now either.
> .....double a 30cm sling. The doubled sling is inserted into some tubed webbing cut to measure which keeps the strands together and protects them too.
I've thought about doing this. What do you think to stitching the two loops of sling together at the end furthest from the cam?
Just to make sure that both are clipped.
Whether you stitch the ends, or tape them down: make sure you tighten the knot like crazy.
A water knot that loosens up can 'move' along the sling, to very bad consequences. I have personally seen a case where someone was using a sling they had knotted themselves - and on which they had taped down the loose ends - where the knot had moved along the sling past the tape join - so the *only* thing holding that sling together was the tape.
In retrospect this seems almost unbelievable, and utterly careless - but it did happen, and my friend would have been in the shit if he leaned back on the sling, as he was just about to.
"tubular tape tightens up well and does not suffer the loosening problem of the Water Knot;"
that explains it :)
> but its not so easy to further extend the cam then is it?
Correct. This is a non extendible option.
> I've thought about doing this. What do you think to stitching the two loops of sling together at the end furthest from the cam?
> Just to make sure that both are clipped.
It's not really necessary because you have a krab permanently clipped through the slings which provides an eye for your QuickDraw. It's important not to cut the tube tape too long, otherwise clipping the doubled sling will be tricky.
> basically this
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