In reply to misterb:
i might send them back as its only about a month since i bought them , a pair of vapour v or lace which i also climb in normally do six months ish.
i did think when i bought them that the toe rubber looked really thin but as they are a slipper i was expecting it to look thinner.
Hey ho i think i'll have to stick to the vapour v's just from a cost perspective , i don't want to be buying 5/6 pairs of boots a year.