In reply to a lakeland climber:
> (In reply to Robert Durran)
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> I think it was still given E4 when I did it, didn't feel hard though.
Yes, borderline E3/E4!
> I thought King Kong was a better route TBH.
Yes, a superb route, but, like the Bat, kind of fizzles out a bit (both can be curtailed after the fantastic lower pitches by abbing Titan's)
> One crag that doesn't seem to have had a mention so far is The Eastern Ramparts on Beinn Eighe (or whatever the crag with Angel Face on is called).
Angel Face always comes up as one of the top mountain E2's along with Steeple, Shibboleth and Torro. It is utterly brilliant, but, being shorter, is tricky to compare. Pale Diedre is right up there too at E2!