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alasdair19 on 19 Jul 2013
Hi

Just a heads up. Partner and I both poorly after drinking from streams draining into the wee lake. She,s spewing for Britain and I'm following thru

Climbing good though!. :
gethin_allen on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:
Did you treat the water with anything?
hokkyokusei - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to gethin_allen:
> (In reply to alasdair19)
> Did you treat the water with anything?

Fine wines and belgian chocolates?
alasdair19 on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to gethin_allen: nope, never have in UK and didn't even.consider it
purplemonkeyelephant - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:

Maybe buy a UV pen for next time
ThunderCat - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:
> (In reply to gethin_allen) nope, never have in UK and didn't even.consider it

There's a lesson there.
Ed Babs - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:

I hope you (and Alex?) have a quick recovery.
richprideaux - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:

Hope you both recover soon.

As others have said, it's best to view some UK mountain streams with at least some suspicion. The upland areas of places like North Wales are essentially farmland, with heavy sheep populations at this time of year. Add in dry weather and the scarcity of drinking water for those animals and you are pretty much guaranteed to be sharing drinking water. Crypto, liver fluke and other nasty surprises can be found in our summer water...
The Lemming - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:

I got Gardial Lamblis once from water at the top of Helvellyn. It took 4 years before a full recovery.

I would not wish this on my worst enemy. Get yourself tested with your GP as you don't want this protasoa taking up residence in your gut.
Only a hill - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:
Bad luck - hope you recover soon.

I suffered from a serious stomach upset after drinking water on Scafell and have purified all mountain water ever since.
jon on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:

Have you got the eggy burps?
Turdus torquatus on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to Only a hill:
> (In reply to alasdair19)
> Bad luck - hope you recover soon.
>
> I suffered from a serious stomach upset after drinking water on Scafell and have purified all mountain water ever since.

What a great service! Thanks from all of us.
Bulls Crack - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to richprideaux:
> (In reply to alasdair19)
>
> Hope you both recover soon.
>
> As others have said, it's best to view some UK mountain streams with at least some suspicion.

Most surely?
efrance24234 - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: I got Gardial Lamblis from a stream in wales. Lost 3 stone. The worst smelling shits ever! For 3 months.
Jack_Lewin - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to jon:

What's the significance of eggy burps? I've been ill for the last week, I thought it was a bug I caught from my little brother but it could be something else...

I've been swimming a lot in the lakes in N Wales the last couple of weeks.
jon on 20 Jul 2013
gethin_allen on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:
Considering how many animals were killed by the late season snow this year it's probably a good guess that most streams will have something putrid in it.
highclimber - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: There is no way you can be certain it was the water without tests.
victorclimber - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: you need to buy one of the new water to go bottles ,been using mine for a couple of weeks in all sorts of streams ,tarns and springs ,excellent ..
Timmd on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to highclimber: One can have an educated guess though.

High alpine streams might be okay, but I'm not sure of many places I'd drink the water in the UK, would have to be very sure it's below the sheep line.

Personal choice and all that...
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Max factor - on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to Timmd:

i grew up on a farm that the water supply came off the hill, untreated straight to the taps. the intake was in a sheep field, in summer it wouldn't even be a discernable trickle but none of the family ever got ill from it.

Consequently I have never treated water from upland areas. Maybe I've just been lucky.
xplorer on 20 Jul 2013
In reply to Max factor:

You're body probably built up a significant immunity I'd imagine
alasdair19 on 21 Jul 2013
In reply to xplorer: I've been drinking mountain stream water quite happily for 20 + years but I guess most of that was highland. No eggy burps thank goodness.

Ed _ Alex was fine in 24 hours but more dramatically ill.

Is there any tests done on upland water?

Timmd on 21 Jul 2013
In reply to Max factor:
> (In reply to Timmd)
>
> i grew up on a farm that the water supply came off the hill, untreated straight to the taps. the intake was in a sheep field, in summer it wouldn't even be a discernable trickle but none of the family ever got ill from it.
>
> Consequently I have never treated water from upland areas. Maybe I've just been lucky.

Interesting, maybe you've the constitution of a goat?

I've eaten reheated rice loads of times and been okay thinking about it...
KingStapo - on 21 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:
> Hi
>
> Just a heads up. Partner and I both poorly after drinking from streams draining into the wee lake. She,s spewing for Britain and I'm following thru
>
> Climbing good though!. :

Can you do us a favour and get tested so we can find out what the actual culprit is? I feel that this story needs a proper conclusion now.
Philip on 21 Jul 2013
I drank from a refreshing stream on the side of Snowdon once. When we go it further up the hill we found a dead sheep in the stream.

Didn't get ill though.
Bobling - on 21 Jul 2013
In reply to Timmd:

What's wrong with re-heated rice?!
PeakDJ on 21 Jul 2013
In reply to KingStapo:
> (In reply to alasdair19)
> [...]
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> Can you do us a favour and get tested so we can find out what the actual culprit is? I feel that this story needs a proper conclusion now.

I can solve that for you: They both had what's known as "the shits".
AlexD - on 21 Jul 2013
think it was more likely to have been the Suicide Wall stream (drunk earlier in day) as we'd drunk Cloggy water tue and wed with no ill effects. apparently it can be as fast acting as half an hour for the ill to kick in after drinking the offensive water. still being sick and the other thing this morning! :/
alasdair19 on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to the half-an-hour thing (this is Al's wife pinching his identity), I would still say 24-48 hours is more typical. Just wikki'd campylobacter to check this and from what I remember about public health, this is the case for lots of other bacteria too. That said, it is all a bit vague and since it's organism specific, you don't know whether youre talking 30 minutes or 3 days until you know what bug caused it (also I think it depends whether you swallowed 10 of the buggers or 10 thousand), so guess it's not helping much..... hope you get better soon.....
Simon Caldwell - on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to highclimber:
> There is no way you can be certain it was the water without tests.

Well said. As someone else pointed out, 24 hours is more usual so could as easily be caused by breakfast, last night's dinner, etc.
EliC - on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to Bobling:
Re-heated rice causes more food poisoning world wide than almost any other food believe it or not! I've had no such problems luckily
jon on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to CrimpShrimp:

Interesting, so I googled it:

> Yes. You can get food poisoning from eating reheated rice. However, it's not the reheating that causes the problem but the way the rice has been stored before it was reheated.
cuppatea on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:

Rice contains some nasties that aren't killed by cooking.

So while rice looks benign, any that has sat in a nice warm room for a while can be a little suspect.
mockerkin on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19:

>> Apart from dead sheep, disease etc. "clean" hill water that runs through bracken carries bracken spores which can cause stomach cancer.
Simon Caldwell - on 22 Jul 2013
sebrider - on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: Get well soon! Drank untreated from several streams but never outside the Highlands (and not any honeypots there), never had problems yet, touch wood! I don't drink from anywhere that is busy with people, in addition to sheep!
butteredfrog - on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to Max factor:
> (In reply to Timmd)
>
> i grew up on a farm that the water supply came off the hill, untreated straight to the taps. the intake was in a sheep field, in summer it wouldn't even be a discernable trickle but none of the family ever got ill from it.
>
> Consequently I have never treated water from upland areas. Maybe I've just been lucky.

So did I, I've never had a problem drinking from streams either.
highclimber - on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: I for one don't believe it's anything to do with the quality of the water. Highly considering walking up there just to collect some water so I can drink it to prove that it's safe to drink. Oh, wait there, one person drinking the water from there with no ill effects won't prove anything.
Simonfarfaraway - on 22 Jul 2013
In reply to PeakDJ: haha good one
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Mac B - on 24 Jul 2013
In reply to Timmd:
would have to be very sure it's below the sheep line.
>
Do you mean above?

winst0n - on 24 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: "Just a heads up. Partner and I both poorly after drinking from streams draining into the wee lake. She,s spewing for Britain and I'm following thru"

Surely there was a clue in the fact that it was a wee lake? I'd never drink from a lake full of piss.
alasdair19 on 24 Jul 2013
In reply to winst0n: amazingly we were drinking out of the streams that fill the lake as opposed to stagnant water
mockerkin on 24 Jul 2013
In reply to Toreador:

You and I have just given some good advice i.e. carry your water.
The article mentions animals e.g. hill sheep. Glad that they are slaughtered before they die of bracken cancer, or will we get cancer by eating them? Red deer?
peter myers - on 24 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: Get well soon guys. So sorry to hear you have got sick and thanks for the warning.

Just throwing my 2 penneth into the ring as one does on these forums!

My comments are not aimed at anyone, just sharing experiences.

I work in the Welsh hills and taking young people out for walking + camping expeditions. Mostly not in the honey pots of the North of the park more often in the south of Snowdonia. We have sheep and bracken an so on but a lot less tourists it's quite remote in fact.

I drink my water straight from a huge range carefully selected streams at least 4 days a week every week, spring, summer and autumn and rarely purify it. I choose streams with a good flow, running over a drop, and that have only just come into existence within the last few hundred meters and hence don't run from, farms, settlements, footpaths, climbing crags, campsites or lakes.

I have never ever got sick from doing this for quite a few years.

Personally I think people are far more likely to pollute the water than a few hill sheep even if there is a dead one around.

Obviously as I have no proper evidence for this belief so I get my students to take proper precautions but I often feel they miss out on the taste of what is really a very clean environment.

(I would not put anywhere on the Snowdon Massif in that category thanks to it's popularity)
bremner8 - on 24 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: I have been drinking from the spring near the top of Bowfell for years with no bad side effects. Maybe it gets well filtered on its way down?
ian caton on 25 Jul 2013
Just to amuse:

I come from a farming family where the water came from a concrete box built in a bog.

The water it was generally agreed was tasting a bit funny and somebody should go have a look.

There was a dead cow in it.
pete.hutchings - on 25 Jul 2013
In reply to alasdair19: I always boil water and have never had a problem in 29 years.
Parrys_apprentice - on 25 Jul 2013
You were drinking water from a stream running down the side of the busiest mountain in the UK. That's very different from most streams.

I've been drinking untreated for many years without a problem, taking basic precautions outlined by others. I have however fractured a wrist falling while collecting said stream water once. Is this danger specific to Torridon, or should I be careful of that everywhere?
Simon Caldwell - on 25 Jul 2013
In reply to mockerkin:
> You and I have just given some good advice i.e. carry your water.

I think you've replied to the wrong person, I would never advise carrying water.
useful on 25 Jul 2013
In reply to Turdus torquatus:
I nearly laughed my lunchtime sandwich through my nose to that!
OFFTOPIC: When are UKC going to implement a "like" button?!
ThunderCat - on 25 Jul 2013
In reply to ian caton:
> Just to amuse:
>
> I come from a farming family where the water came from a concrete box built in a bog.
>
> The water it was generally agreed was tasting a bit funny and somebody should go have a look.
>
> There was a dead cow in it.


I hope you mooved it.
captain paranoia - on 05 Aug 2013
In reply to Toreador:

> I would never advise carrying water.

Never? Good luck walking in Death Valley, then... Or even some parts of the South Downs, come to that...
Simon Caldwell - on 05 Aug 2013
In reply to captain paranoia:
Why would I want to walk in Death Valley? Or the South Downs for that matter...
Simon Caldwell - on 07 Aug 2013
A few interesting articles. All US-centric, and concentrating on giardia, but the first one in particular also covers the things that people are afraid of in the UK

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=YOIDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA44&ots=fsJFmr6su9&dq=thomas%20welc...
http://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/water-risks.html
http://www.farnorthendurance.com/busting-the-myths-about-giardia/

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