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Syllables, Dipthongs and Metre in Poetry

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Jimbo W 08 Aug 2013
Quick question.. ..are words like:
deer, fear, vial, hues, riot, coin

considered as one syllable or two from the point of view of poetic metre?
Jimbo W 09 Aug 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:

bump.. ..someone must know about this stuff? What about all the: "Owl and the Cragrat" contributors.. ..where are you all?!
Clauso 09 Aug 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:

I'm here... The only thing I know about dipthongs is that I climbed a route of that name in Ireland and that it's a Yorkshire term for a bathing garment.
 John Ww 09 Aug 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:
> Quick question.. ..are words like:
> deer, fear, vial, hues, riot, coin
>
> considered as one syllable or two from the point of view of poetic metre?

Hmm, would it depend on regional pronunciation?

As an example, "Oop north"...

deer is pronounced dee-ah (two syllables)

fear is pronounced fee-ah (two syllables)

I'm sure someone who knows about such things will soon be along to enlighten us.

JW

In reply to Jimbo W:

One, surely?

jcm
 Blue Straggler 09 Aug 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:

On "Ohm, Sweet Ohm", Kraftwerk almost make "Ohm" sound like THREE syllables!
Jimbo W 09 Aug 2013
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
> (In reply to Jimbo W)
>
> One, surely?
>
> jcm

Is it? The way I speak "deer" is "dee-err"? So I feel a disruption in rhythm when use it as a single syllable in a poem.
Jimbo W 09 Aug 2013
In reply to John Ww:
> (In reply to Jimbo W)
> [...]
>
> Hmm, would it depend on regional pronunciation?
>
> As an example, "Oop north"...
>
> deer is pronounced dee-ah (two syllables)

Yes..this is how I say it and how it sounds in my head. If grammatically it is regarded as a single syllable, would you consider it rhythmically / in terms of metre, as 2 though for the purpose of poetry?

> fear is pronounced fee-ah (two syllables)
>
> I'm sure someone who knows about such things will soon be along to enlighten us.

I hope so!

 Cooper51 09 Aug 2013
In reply to Jimbo W:

Not sure whether different from point of view of poetic metre, but from linguistic viewpoint:

deer, fear, hues, coin all one syllable; vowel sounds diphthong apart from hues which is a single vowel sound.

vial and riot both two syllables consisting of two vowel sounds - diphthong followed by monophthong (sometimes called triphthong)

Would be easier to illustrate with phonemic chart. Sheesh, the crap I know ...
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