/ Bowden Doors Wind Farm
This is not a discussion about the pros and cons of wind farms. That has been covered in this thread (and many others on the web):
I am a NIMBY/local climber and feel that regardless of your views on wind power that this is not the place for a wind turbine site. The view at the top of a Bowden Doors is, in my opinion, very special. If you feel as I do you can lodge your objection to the planning application with Northumberland County Council on this website:
There are also other ways of stating your objection and guidelines on terminology to use on this website:
Does this fall under the 'Vast swathes of wasteland' in the North East I wonder?
Was this prompted by the chat we had at the crag on Tuesday?
If it was you I have a very nice pic of you on Castle Crack
This shot of Dunstanburgh Castle is sobering:
Now try using Google to see other pictures of the Castle.
(sorry about the massive link! I did check it and it seems to work)
I'm sorry, but the OP has already admitted that they are a NIMBY so I'll go ahead and say it... I'm not sure what is so special about the view from Bowden Doors out to the coast. It's featureless, and in my view as good a place as any for the wind turbines.
The OP doesn't want this to be an argument about the pros and cons of wind turbines, so given that they have to go somewhere, that isn't a bad spot I reckon.
> I'm sorry, but the OP has already admitted that they are a NIMBY so I'll go ahead and say it...
You can stuff the NIMBY argument up your a*se. Northumberland has supplied energy to the UK for years to the detriment of the people and the environment, and still does with acres of destructive opencast in my backyard. We have a form of energy which works perfectly well in the SE of England, so why are there not more down there? Maybe they're nimbies.
> You can stuff the NIMBY argument up your a*se. Northumberland has supplied energy to the UK for years to the detriment of the people and the environment, and still does with acres of destructive opencast in my backyard. We have a form of energy which works perfectly well in the SE of England, so why are there not more down there? Maybe they're nimbies.
Yes, I am sure that they are nimbies also.
They do have 25 coal, oil and gas and 3 nuclear power stations compared to Northumberland's 3, and probably wish that somewhere else in the country would get the three new nuclear power stations proposed for the south east.
I don't think wind turbines are the answer to our energy problems (but then neither is importing 60% of our fuel for energy production), but I'm also not offended by the site of them.
Regarding this proposal, it's no worse a location of most of the sites across County Durham, and that was all I was getting at.
Can't tell from any of these links where theses turbines are to be located - close to the crag or visible from it
As I say, if you feel the same as I do then lodge your objection on the county council website.
I am sorry of the OP feel these are a blight on the landscape, but it would seem that not everyone feels that this is an inappropriate place to site a wind farm.
> Does this fall under the 'Vast swathes of wasteland' in the North East I wonder?
No, no, no, that was actually the north WEST!
Its probably a great place for a windfarm but I would hate to see one built there! I agree there is a need for renewable energy for the future, but I also think there is greater need for preserving natural and rural country side for the future.
Its a shame they cant harness energy from Midge... We would have an endless supply :)
There is going to be a windfarm the size of North Yorkshire built on the Dogger bank so the benefit of erecting 9 near Bowdon is worthless p**s. Maybe it is because there is a financial incentive involved?! That incentive should be going towards making homes and buildings more fuel efficient. Deluded. Bah!
Why don't you start a petition and write to your local MP asking for a new Nuclear Fission reactor to be built on the coast in Northumberland? Perhaps at Cambois just north of Blyth?
As well as employing perhaps 6,000 construction workers over 10 years and then perhaps 500 permanent jobs, that one plant alone would produce more electricity than all the wind turbines in the whole UK are doing right now. Ask them to build Cambois A and B and it would likely eclipse the total (time averaged) contribution of all wind currently installed in the UK.
But the view of the ridge above Bowden Doors from the coast? Or the Till floodplain. This is an inappropriate site beyond the wildest dreams of the Scots. Used to look upon Northumberland as a sanctuary, especially now that the Lammermuirs have been trashed.
There are some pretty incandescent locals who do not want money pumps in their backyard. Good luck to them.
> There are some pretty incandescent locals who do not want money pumps in their backyard. Good luck to them.
Agreed. Unfortunately the landowner isn't one of them.
> This shot of Dunstanburgh Castle is sobering:
> Now try using Google to see other pictures of the Castle.
Didn't notice those last time I was there ......but then again I've neer viewed it from the North Sea
The company admits that for climbers at Bowden Doors “There would be clear and open views of the Scheme at a close range. The magnitude of change would be very high, which would lead to a Very Substantial and significant visual effect.”
A huge wind farm has already been built next to Great Wanney’s, another application for six 125m turbines a few km west of Kyloe has received planning permission, personnally I think we've "done our bit" in terms of impact on the counties "best crags" (another forum discussion that one...)
Personally i think we should stick them in anywhere they will make a decent amount of energy unless they will have an effect on the local wildlife.
I'd far rather ruin a few views than love with another generation of fission reactors, fracking or other fossil fuel burning.
except of course that it will take more than a 'few views' to achieve this.
I'd ruin them all if there was no impact on wildlife.
If widespread fracking goes ahead in the UK, most wind farms will become redundant, as will any sustainable energy techonologies and policies
1.They don't produce a decent amount of energy.
2.They are not an independent source of energy, they produce low quality power that requires another method of generation to co-generate with - Gas (and therefore fracking) and wind go hand in hand.
3. They will not reduce the number of conventional power plants, they may reduce quantity of fuel used (not by as much as claimed BTW) but we still need the same installed capacity.
Northumberland is starting to look ever more industrial, such a shame it's being ruined for such little return.
You'd need to. And more.
What i think we should really do is build a couple of massive dams. And block up the bristol channel.
> A huge wind farm has already been built next to Great Wanney’s, another application for six 125m turbines a few km west of Kyloe has received planning permission,
I'm dismayed that anything is being planned in the area West of Kyloe. The view West from the broad ridge running from Kyloe to Bowden is one of the best in the North of England in my (Scottish) opinion.
Ignore the bit about "comments not being submitted at this time".
And a belated reply to Andrew: Yes I was there on Tuesday but did not climb Castle Crack - we were the young(ish) group that turned up at 4ish. I hope you had a good day!
Utter bollox I am afraid! Do some reading rather than spouting the arguments that were valid 20 years ago, but the latest generation of turbines are like chalk and cheese compared to those of 20 years ago.
The latest generation of onshore turbines produce energy over a much larger wind range than those that people base their arguments on. I agree, they are not the only solution for our energy needs, but they are certainly part of the solution. We cannot keep burning fossil fuels as a primary energy production method - even with fracking, at some point we will run out (but only after we have screwed our climate for the next generation).
Forget wind farms, even the PM thinks they are a waste of space, fracking is his new baby.
> Personally i think we should stick them in anywhere they will make a decent amount of energy.......
You say that ,and so did my sister when she dealt with the devil ,and took their bribe ( sorry- community compensation) to allow turbines to be built up the hill from their farm.
Now there is plan to build them IN the valley right beside her farm, and I can think I can still hear her squealing from here, and NOW she is asking a lot more questions, and finding they are not as effective, economic, etc , as their propaganda claimed and she swallowed it ;)
She has see the model and she has realised , for the first time just how big they are, and she does not like it.
So you say, that they should put hem anywhere, but will you say that when they are literally in your backyard ?
We will all be paying the price if the government ignore our obligations, both in fines for not achieving our legaly binding targets, and also by the fact we are screwing the planet for our children.
How is it so hard to work out...?! We have a finite amount of fossil fuels. when they are gone, they are gone, and we (our children's children) will be left paying the price for our neglectful behaviour.
So suck it up - bad luck, you lose your pretty vista, but I wonder if you would be prepared to stand there and justify your arguments to your children when they are faced with the effects of climate change and no ready supply of fossil fuels.
Our landscape has been changing since man learned to leave the cave - live with it.
You argue as if there are only two options, windfarms or fossil fuel. That's not the case.
Have you ever just closed your eyes, and listened , and heard nothing, and enjoyed it more than your favourite piece of music.
Well , your. ' featureless' is some people's visual equivalent of that silence .
( in my view, which is clearly not the same as yours)
The energy in the wind is the problem, you can improve the turbines all you like but wind energy goes up with the square of the wind speed and when there is little of it there is no significant power available let alone harvested by these things.
It would be wonderful if wind could provide an effective alternative to fossil fuels and if so I would be for them however the points I raised are very much still valid. Result being we are spending vast amounts of money on an ineffective generation method. Money that would be far more effective in reducing emissions if spent elsewhere.
It occasionally amazes me how some folks see turbines. I remember reading a newspaper report on objections to turbines sited near Drax in North Yorkshire
Photo of turbines
Each windfarm requires the construction of roads over the hills and the deposition of many hundreds of tons of concrete into the ground to build the base for the turbines. Let alone the impact on wildlife and landscape value. Does the intermittent and expensive power output of these schemes really justify the vandalism of our upland landscapes?
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