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> Err, well I haven't actually, even if I was a member once for the hut reduction. It would be a rather Fr Someone above mentioned the "bumbling amateur" ethic, in a derogatory way, but I don't think it's such a bad way of living. Success isn't everything
Well said, Captain Scott! How many others you going to take down with you this time?
It was tongue-in-cheek derogatory, but yes, slightly derogatory. The 'amateur' bit is fine and very good, IMO better than many 'professionals' - but the 'bumbling' bit not so much. Around the crag it might not matter so much but in the Alps and elsewhere it brings people unstuck year after year. Incompetence is nothing to be proud of and the line between easygoing bumbling and dangerous ineptitude can be crossed far too easily. Ask the rangers on Denali or those who work in Antarctica or the Alps about the 'bumbling Brits'. Admiration only goes so far, then they become a menace, to themselves and others.
Heaven forbid anyone be seen to make an effort to get better, eh? I've seen 'amateurism' turn nasty and sneering at those who seek a bit more, at no loss to the amateurs, merely a difference in opinion and approach. Like the time when training was 'cheating'. Thank dog those times are gone.
There's nothing stopping anyone going about their own business in alpine climbing completely ignoring any such 'team' and just carrying on as always. Aversion to such elitism or teams or squads or whatever is largely an irrational personal and cultural preference and is no more valid to force on anyone else than plenty of other things people argue about on here. No one is proposing a team of fluro-clad heroes posing for aerial footage. There's plenty of room on the spectrum between Jean Marc Boivin or Ueli Steck and a middle-aged bloke down the crag doing Diffs with his mates.
My main concern would be if the creation, presence and operation of such a 'team' did in fact impact on those who want nothing to do with it. If evidence proved that was the case then I don't think it would be in the interests of climbing, or the climbing community in general.
Encouraging and supporting actual alpinism, at an increasing standard of excellence, rather than passively allowing (and in doing so, encouraging) the proliferation of guided, fixed and blogged celebrity snow plods is to me a positive step. Action, not reaction.