/ Cannabis and bouldering
Now firstly I would like to recognise the general pot head boulderers perhaps do not spend time scrolling the forums of ukc, however I am not on any particular side just have an "each to their own" attitude.
So as a collective, what is everybodies actual view on this?
Had a brief experimentation many moons ago.
On the plus side, I felt a deep and almost spiritual connection with the medium, the texture of the rock and the complexities of my body biodynamics.
On the down side, I got shit-scared if I was ever more than a foot off the ground. It only really worked on low-level traverses.
> Now firstly I would like to recognise the general pot head boulderers perhaps do not spend time scrolling the forums of ukc, however I am not on any particular side just have an "each to their own" attitude.
> So as a collective, what is everybodies actual view on this?
I'm not really a climber at all. I do a bit of indoor stuff for fitness, but that's it. I enjoy it, but I'm crap at it :)
Long before I started 'climbing', I loved a spliff. Abso-f*cking-lutely loved it. But as I got older and more sensible I lost the resistance to it and even a small puff would send me massively paranoid and give me the fear.
So I wouldn't even try the two together now. It would ruin the experience.
But if I'd got into climbing at the same time as I was loving the spliffage, I think I might have actually enjoyed it....
Sorry if this was aimed at bouldering rather than climbing.
Who wants to climb after toking up a spliff??
Forget the bouldering and lets order pizza..
As long as you are subtle with it and arent skinning up in front of kids etc I cant see the problem.
its been a while for me, but I found it meant I did less bouldering, although performance wasnt hindered (i also didnt excel while stoned), so I tended to keep it more for the end of the session or back at the tent.
Well of course, but just the same as I would not roll and smoke a cig Infront of kids. This has surprised me to be honest, I thought there would be FAR more negative responses ha
> Well of course, but just the same as I would not roll and smoke a cig Infront of kids. This has surprised me to be honest, I thought there would be FAR more negative responses ha
I do miss a nice joint, but I really can't handle it anymore. I'm trying to remember the mindset and the feeling of being very focussed on what I was actually doing...and I do think it might have improved the climbing a bit. Maybe not the actual standard...but the experience.
Mind you, I'm not sure I'd be happy having a stoned belayer....
A lifetime ago, I ended up setting off up a multi-pitch Extreme stoned. Just past the first pitch crux, I pulled on the ropes to check which one went through the last bit of gear and accidentally pulled it out. Right, best put a nut in. Got the nuts off my harness and promptly dropped them. I didn't panic and climbed 30' up to the peg belay. I cannot recommend it, but, on the other hand, I am quite glad I have had the experience.
As Barmy said, just don't skin up in front of kids ;-)
no, but its alright to drink in front of them...
Smoking and climbing is one thing...we used to take acid and mountain bike.
Now that is quite a mixture of exhilaration and fear :)
> So as a collective, what is everybodies actual view on this?
I've always thought of bouldering as a nice way to fill the time while you get stoned in the countryside.
A couple of my partners do during, myself only after. One friend claims to climb far better after a smoke. Personally, I find I lose connectivity with the rock and much of the prerequisite interest. I insist on it after though with a beer.
In which case pasta is also cheating and I shall not be claiming the routes I did today.
its under S8 some funny reason i couldn't find [pasta on the list
The list is not relevant (obviously) to proper climbing. Didn't Sharma show the way by stopping doing competitions so that he could use cannabis?
> Who wants to climb after toking up a spliff??
> Forget the bouldering and lets order pizza..
You tw*t, everyone knows its chinese.
> The list is not relevant (obviously) to proper climbing. Didn't Sharma show the way by stopping doing competitions so that he could use cannabis?
i believe sharma has been stripped off all the titles he's won aswell its cheating mate but if your ok with cheating thats down to you and your conscious mate
> i believe sharma has been stripped off all the titles he's won aswell its cheating mate but if your ok with cheating thats down to you and your conscious mate.
In which case I think it's very healthy for climbing that he is in absolutely no way considered a Lance Armstrong like pariah.
Obviously, when you say cheating, you only mean in competitions I take it.
So does pasta. And broccoli. So you consider them cheating too I take it.
Have you actually smoked any cannabis? It's not a performance-enhancing drug, if anything the opposite.
And if I eat lots of pasta (and other food) and you don't, I'll find the boulder problem easier than you (and not just because I'm stronger than you). Therefore eating pasta and other food is morally wrong.
Pasta, that's ok but not the real stuff. I gather that all the best climbers (including Adam Ondra) regularly take dihydrogen monoxide in various drinks.
> Pasta, that's ok but not the real stuff. I gather that all the best climbers (including Adam Ondra) regularly take dihydrogen monoxide in various drinks.
Obviously all actual chemicals should be banned. Ondra should be stripped of all his 9b's.
He's an addict too, I'm not saying he injects per say - however I'm willing to bet that if he injured himself that the doctors would administer it intravenously (just in case his addiction was not fed and met).
Tea is supposed to help with physical and mental energy. I think the point being made by others (perhaps obtusely) is that lots of things can affect physical performance.
Cannabis might help with preventing lactic acid build up, but I'm not sure how helpful it would be for being alert and full of energy, and if smoked it would reduce the amount of oxygen which the lungs can transport to the bloodstream and then the muscles, through gumming up the lungs.
I'm no scientist, but cannabis probably isn't something I'd be very concerned about from a moral point of view. Quite a lot less than other drugs used by sports cheats that is.
You are the madest mother fu**er I have ever encountered hahahaha. You did not need to tell us you don't smoke as that is evident by your clear lack of knowledge.
Smoking and climbing just go together, the comment about a stoned belayer made me laugh though. I agree with that to an extent, however if climbing with a regular partner it doesn't matter stoned or not. Although I tend to boulder so no worries about anyone being too stoned ha.
You could get your point across better if your postings made sense.
His point seems to be (taking the legality aside) that many things are performance enhancing, that cannabis is banned in competitions but that competitions are only a small aspect of climbing and that there are no rules in outside climbing (except being honest). No-one is cheating when they climb outside unless they lie.
He is also not promoting its use merely challenging your view of its use.
> You are the madest mother fu**er I have ever encountered hahahaha. You did not need to tell us you don't smoke as that is evident by your clear lack of knowledge.
Yeah but he is a lover, worker and fighter or something like that.
If I'm working outdoors on not a lot of sleep, I struggle if I forget my tea bags for the day. If caffeine isn't banned I think that maybe should be too, as it does affect how the body functions. There's been things written about it in Cycling Plus a few times, about not having a coffee habit being best for if you want to benefit from it on a sportive, for example.
The banned substance list includes substances, some of which are legal (caffeine etc) and other illegal (steroids, cannabis etc). The list exists in order to create a level playing field at a level which protects competitors from the temptation to use the substances at dangerous levels in order to gain an advantage. It is probably immoral to cheat by using banned substances in competetitive sports, including competition climbing, to which the list applies. The list does not apply in everyday life including normal climbing. The only question of morality in everyday life (and normal climbing) is whether you think it is immoral to use the illegal ones and many people do not consider cannabis use immoral despite being illegal.
Hahaha, weed? Performance enhancing? Funny.
The only thing this would help would be in chocolate or sausage roll eating competitions. (or chocolate and s.roll eating comps). I wonder if food eating comps do testing on munchie enhancing drugs.
Anyhoo, all it would take would be a couple of tokes on a decent bifter and i think bouldering would be out. Sleeping or grinning would definitely be in.
Many years ago I used to work in forestry, and the whole crew used to toke (the job interview consisted of asking about my attitude to weed). It definitely helped you to focus when you were felling a 30' tree, and the bits in between were a great laugh too...
I'm not sure how it would help my climbing now as I can imagine the scary moments becoming epics.
Having a picnic outside the houses of parliament is illegal, so is that wrong flat out, or is the law wrong? Where do laws even come from? Are they created by god? Is it fine to drink and climb because alcohol is legal?
I don't really care about the moral side of it, but nowadays, I do worry about the health aspects (throat and mouth cancer, and burning all the cilia off the inside of my lungs). Seeing as I get asthma and watched my dad die in front of me from emphysema, I'd rather not. Climbing is enough fun on its own for me...
> I don't really care about the moral side of it, but nowadays, I do worry about the health aspects (throat and mouth cancer, and burning all the cilia off the inside of my lungs). Seeing as I get asthma and watched my dad die in front of me from emphysema, I'd rather not. Climbing is enough fun on its own for me...
Personally i would blame the weed for my slow prgression through the grading system, it makes you question the trust you have in your protection a lot more than someone who doesn't smoke it.
As an individual I don't have a view on this, so far as I'm concerned it's none of my business what people do or don't smoke while they boulder.
I'd prefer they weren't too impaired by the time they drove home but that's driving not bouldering.
And image and performance-enhancing drugs are my particular area of research interest...although I have done work around cannabis use too.
As for the cheating debate; cheating implies rules. You can only cheat rules....if you're not climbing competitively..how are you cheating? What do you lose from the experience when climbing using performance enhancers that you get when you climb without them?
You can argue a moral standpoint based on the wholly abritrary legal situation; but that's a moot point at best. Like most moral debates it comes down to opinions. There's no hard facts that determine whether a moral standpoint is "right".
Personally I wouldn't use cannabis before climbing as it would negatively affect concentration and cardiovascular function. I would use pasta though and gain the performance-enhancing benefits of increased glycogen stores. I would use beta-alanine...a perfectly safe and legal sports supplement that ...buffers lactic acid. I would use creatine - a perfectly safe sports supplement that enables slightly longer bursts of energy in short, power filled problems. I would use whey protein for recovery. I would use coffe to enhance my concentration. I would use jelly sweets, fruit and nuts for instant top up of key macro nutrients whilst climbing.
Presumably..since those are all legal....the very well evidenced performance enhancing benfeits of them all would be absolutely fine. Bearing in mind there is a HUGE amount of evidence showing all of those offer performance enahncing benefits vs basically none for cannabis in this context.
SO either your moral standpoint is based on the legality....which seems a poor position but each to their own. OR...your moral standpoint is based purely on the performance enhancing aspect..in which case everything in my list should be banned.
I agree with a previous post I go bouldering as something to do when out in the outdoors getting baked.
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