/ Berghaus Leviathan OR TNF Base Camp Duffle

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paul walters - on 31 Aug 2013
I'm heading to Lapland this winter on a dog sledding holiday and need a soft sided bag to carry kit for the 4 flights and the 5 days on the sled. I've checked out the Berghaus Leviathan 70 litre and North Face Base Camp Duffle Medium on the Net, and read a few reviews. Both seem to offer the features I think I would need, but does anyone have first hand experience of either of these, or could anyone offer a recommendation?

Cheers
P
climber david - on 31 Aug 2013
In reply to paul walters:

I've got a north face duffle 90L (not sure is thats madium or large) for 5 or 6 years now and in that time it has been on at least one flight a year as well as being dragged in and out of at least a dozen scout camps each year and it shows very little sign of wear. There is one small wear patch where I think it has run alon the side of some airport conveyor but it doesnt affect performance at all and its still as strong as ever. One thing i would say is find a way of making yours identifiableas there are now loads on airport conveyors - another sign that they work well and last so well

Never used or seen the berghaus but I would buy another tnf one when (if) the one I have wears out
maybe_si - on 31 Aug 2013
In reply to paul walters: tnf is the only choice
highclimber - on 31 Aug 2013
In reply to paul walters: TNF - Bombproof
Tobydud on 31 Aug 2013
In reply to paul walters: I bought a TNF duffle in 1999. It has accompanied me on every trip away from home since then. It's been everywhere from arctic, desert, jungle and dartmoor. At least 4 foreign trips (business and pleasure!) through airport handlers each year. It has been strapped to the roof/sides of buses, cars and boats, dropped in the sea, buried in sand and frozen almost solid. The only mark on it is a slight patch on the inside where my jungle strength DEET leaked and dissolved the rubber... The material is still holding it together though. I don't normally post on forums, but i really can't recommend it enough. TNF Duffle... Don't even consider anything else..
In reply to maybe_si:
> tnf is the only choice

Why the only choice? I've got one Decathlon duffle, and an own-brand one from the Nordic sports chain "Stadium", both quite a lot cheaper the TNF ones. The Stadium one is about 15 years old, the Decathlon one about 10. Both have been used loads for all that time, including loads and loads of flight. They've both been absolutely superb and have no nicks, holes, tears, seams failing etc. I'm sure the TNF ones are great too, but the cheaper options can be pretty bloody good also!

Shearwater - on 01 Sep 2013
In reply to TobyA:
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> Why the only choice?

Cos it gets consistent reviews, and is readily available pretty much anywhere? Paying a premium for a fancily branded item isn't a totally daft option compared to gambling on something with far fewer (or zero) reviews...

Also, you can get it in eye-searing colours.
rachcrewe - on 01 Sep 2013
In reply to paul walters:

I have a TNF duffel I bought from Bicester Village outlet in 2004. It has been battered, dragged through the dirt, used as a pillow/seat/shower tray/spittoon for a paan chewing Burmese man to no ill effect. It is looking a bit scuffed now but still my go-to bag.

Zips are bomber, straps great, would whole-heartedly recommend it.
paul walters - on 01 Sep 2013
In reply to paul walters: Thanks for all the advice guys. I've opted for the TNF. Got one for 75 incl p&p from Trekkit. Delivery later this week. can't wait. Cheers again.
KellyKettle - on 01 Sep 2013
In reply to Shearwater:
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> Cos it gets consistent reviews, and is readily available pretty much anywhere? Paying a premium for a fancily branded item isn't a totally daft option compared to gambling on something with far fewer (or zero) reviews...

It seems daft to assume a cheaper product is lower quality, when its such a simple item, in almost identical designs made from identical hypalon type material...

I've had a big hi-gear one for years, it's lasted well in use (sometimes as frequently as weekly), and neither I or my friends with ME and TNF versions of the same bag have been able to work out what the difference is that makes the branded versions worth about twice as much.
RomTheBear - on 01 Sep 2013
In reply to paul walters: I got a leviathan and simply don't like it. Impossible to wear on your shoulders without the straps sliding of your shoulders, the straps pads get all tangled up all the time, zipper broke after 4 uses.
RomTheBear - on 01 Sep 2013
In reply to paul walters: If I was to buy again, I'll buy this :
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/70l-expedition-bag-black-id_8171056.html#avantages

Guarantee 5 years, and for 20 quid, you can't go wrong.
Shearwater - on 01 Sep 2013
In reply to KellyKettle:
> It seems daft to assume a cheaper product is lower quality, when its such a simple item, in almost identical designs made from identical hypalon type material...

I'm not assuming cheap gear is crap. I'm assuming that well reviewed gear is adequate, and spending an extra 10, 20, 50 that will be amortized across the next 10 years of use is a reasonable tradeoff *for me*. YMMV.

A few folk have said that gelert/hi gear duffels are great. A few have said they're not so great. Ultimately, they don't come in eye-searing orange.
almost sane - on 03 Sep 2013
In reply to paul walters:
My TNF duffle is showing many signs of wear. I find the fabric is very prone to abrasion, from bagage handlers, from being slid along loading platforms, or being carried by ponies through bushes. The base reinforcing material is a different story - that IS tough.

If I was replacing it, I would go for something in a tougher fabric like cordura. Which is also lighter - the TNF duffle itself may be up to 10% of your baggage allowance, depending on flights. I would go for the Osprey Transporter as being cheaper, lighter and tougher.
needvert on 03 Sep 2013
Doug on 03 Sep 2013
In reply to needvert: doesn't include the Decathlon bags, like Toby, I've had one for several years & its been very good with very few signs of wear so far. My only complaint is that its a bit too big much of the time but thats my fault for buying a large rather than a medium (or one of each)
Euge - on 03 Sep 2013
In reply to paul walters: I have the Gelert one, a Mountain Equipment one and a Mountain Hardware one...

My fav is the Mountain hardware..

The Gelert is identical to the ME but the material is stiffer.

Cheers
Euge
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iksander on 03 Sep 2013
In reply to paul walters: Highlander Troon Drybag Duffle is very good, and waterproof - 22

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