/ Gloves for sub 0 conditions - raynaud's disease

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filip.kamycki - on 10 Sep 2013
Hello,
I have raynauds diesease and after leaving the house
today with 10 degrees outside it kicked in, leaving me
worrying about a week of walking in Wales in november.

Is there anyone with raynauds/poor circulation who has a pair of gloves
which suit them well? Worse thing is the cutting off of circulation to hands which stops them from producing heat and loosing sensation - would one of those battery heated gadgets be worth looking at?

I was looking at ME Mountain Glove but wander if it isn't a bit of an overkill.

xplorer on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

I'd say you need a number of pairs, one like the ME gloves you have seen, and then a less insulated pair and then maybe just a softshell pair.

That way you can swap and change, as you get warmer and colder
vscott - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki: It's worth slightly oversizing gloves (can always a thin liner glove), as good fit in the shop can prove to be a bit tight and seemingly restrict bloodflow on the hill.
filip.kamycki - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to xplorer:

ouch, I don't think I can afford splashing out for three gloves at once
Carolyn - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

I realise the problems's primarily with peripheral circulation, but a lot of Reynaud's sufferers say that if they keep their body core warm, then there's less of a problem with hands/feet. So, stuff like decent layers, and maybe a hat, are worth thinking about.

What kind of walking will you be doing? If you won't need to use your hands much (ie no scrambling), (1) mittens might be a warmer option than gloves and (2) thick, insulated gloves/mitts won't really have any disadvantage apart from a risk of being a little warm. And you can always take a cheap pair of thin gloves just in case.
Ben Briggs - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki: get some primaloft mitts and wear a thin linner glove under them incase you have to take them off for tasks requiring dexterity. Much warmer than gloves.
filip.kamycki - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to Carolyn:

That is indeed the case with me however I found that any sudden temperature (for example leaving the house) sets it off, same as moisture or wind.

To be fair, me and Miss T are heading to Llangatock and we are yet to decide where we will go.
Flashy - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki: I second getting mitts instead of gloves, and also owning a selection so you're never in wet gloves. Get some cheap fleece for warmer conditions and the mitts for when you're cold. A climbing partner with this problem swore by chemical handwarmers in his gloves or tucked into the wristband of his jacket.
filip.kamycki - on 10 Sep 2013
any recommendations? prefferably within 35quid. thanks for the help so far !
sarahjk - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

I also have Raynauds [badly] and struggle in winter [ok and spring and autumn]

Fave gloves are Primaloft huge mit things, but a VERY close second are Buffalo mits, cheap enough to get 2 pairs [my main tip after which gloves is LOTS] with or without a pair of cheap liner gloves.

Take several pairs, keep spares in dry bag, take enough for second day, esp if you cant dry them over night. And consider the chemical heat pads, there are many reusable ones now, some are better than others. Or the tea bag ski type single use heat pads. I am never without my reusable ones, often even in summer ! Also what others have said, keep the whole body warm, hat and scarf, good clothing, thermals including leggings, a flask of something hot and fatty [hot chocolate rather than coffee for me]

Good luck.
aldo56 - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki: The standard UKC answer to any glove question is; Buffalo mitts and Skytec Argons. Is this any different?
davidbeynon - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to aldo56:

The montane extreme mitts are well worth a look too. You can stack the xl ones with a pair of buffalos for seriously warm hands.

thebigfriendlymoose - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

I find keeping the wrists warm is the important thing - long sleeved tops with thumb loops help. Wrist gaiters are good too. Marmot do pricey power-stretch ones or you can make them from thermal socks! If you are climbing, one of those shake-bag hand-warmers in the chalk-bag can be a godsend. A vigorous chalk-up with hot chalk at a rest has got me up many a red-point.
martinph78 on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:
> any recommendations? prefferably within 35quid. thanks for the help so far !

For 33 you could have a set-up similar to mine and I find it works really well. The mitts offer almost instant warmth when you put them on, even with damp gloves:

http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/buffalo-pile-mitts-1c310264?id_colour=161

with these underneath:

http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/berghaus-polartec-100-liner-glove-1c310409?id_colour=124


I much prefer fleece to softshell as well. I find it warmer and it dries quicker if it does get wet. I actually use a fleece glove with leather palm, but very similar to that I've linked above.

For under 35 I doubt you'll get a warmer and more versatile set-up for walking?
jim jones on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

I've had 18 years of suffering with Raynauds, I find cool breezy damp weather really bad as soon as temp's begin to fall at this time of the year. Last winter I bought a pair of these more on a whim than anything else.

http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/columbia-caribeener-ii-glove-1c310465?id_colour=123

I've found them superb and climbed winter routes all last winter without any bad episodes. They are a grade lighter than I would normally wear for winter climbing too. I always keep a spare pair of heavier ones inside my shell jacket to pop on when I stop, or for belaying etc if it's extremely cold.

ceri - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki: I find powerstretch gloves are really good, although pricey. As other have said wrist warmers make a huge difference, as well as keeping the core temperature up and keeping the hands out of the wind and dry. I have a pair of wrist warmers for working on the computer in winter and they're great for stopping the mouse-hand going numb, even if I do look silly.
ice.solo - on 10 Sep 2013
In reply to xplorer:

Im gonna agree with xplorer - several pairs.

A single pair wont cover everything and will wet out from sweat so will then cover even less.
At least pairs will reduce this, but three will have you laughing.

Yep, expensive. But without your hands in good condition the games over. The expense will be worth it. Even with good circulation a few pairs is normal.
Dont all have to be top shelf, but you get what you pay for.

Also good gloves well treated last years, the expense isnt so bad.
Crag Pony - on 11 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:
Ow do. I ve had dead mans hands, raynauds/ vibration white finger for a few years. I m a gardener and this is what I use for work and play.
There's a fibre pile work glove, black dipped in rubber including the back of the hand.8 and great all winter, even when wet.have used them on potholing digging sessions that have involved a lot of inactivity and they have been fine Try garden centres, work wear shops The ones with rubber just on the palm are no good.
When walking I use Seal Skinz, the shell type, served me very well in very adverse conditions, lovely pink fat fingers all day long.
Keep a pair of skiny liner gloves in an inner pocket for when you stop. A cheap pair of thermals off the market will be fine although I use the realy skiny Outdoor gear/wear can't remember off top of me head. They fit as an inner for the Seal Skinz if ever needed.
I can't recomend a pair of arm warmers enough. I use Incrediwears. Tap them up, they do socks and gloves aswell. The company specialises in wear for diabeties and raynaud sufferers. They also do a range of ski socks. With the arm warmers I can do a day of sub zero grit and no ill effects.
Failing all that Glasgow Angling Centre do battery heated gloves and socks at 35 a pair. Not used them myself.
A strange one; when I moiturise my hands( I get cracked skin) the old dannies get realy warm and pumped up as long as the hanmdcream lasts. Don't know why but it works! A small tube of Neutrogena will last months
Be well fed and watered. This starts at tea time the night before, curry, chili; puddings with ginger(oooooh!) All help get the blood pumping.
A couple of dramms the night before I find dialate the blood vessels nicely and hot ribena with a little dash of brandy for flavour (wink) during the day. No need to be a martyr. :)
Crag Pony - on 11 Sep 2013
In reply to thebigfriendlymoose:
TOP TIP!!! Absolutely brilliant!!! Nobel Peace Prize Winner. We're not worthy. I really can't say as you've probably already guessed how good an idea that is. Thank you so so much for sharing. Beers on me if we ever meet.
nufkin - on 11 Sep 2013
In reply to Crag Pony:

> This starts at tea time the night before, curry, chili; puddings with ginger(oooooh!) All help get the blood pumping.

Garlic is also said to help, I believe, and Mark Twight mentioned Ginko supplements. A bit hard to say if they work or not, since there's obviously no control other than your own experience previously, but it might be worth a go
Mountain Llama on 11 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki: U need to keep ur core and arms plus wrists warm as well
captain paranoia - on 11 Sep 2013
In reply to Carolyn:

> but a lot of Reynaud's sufferers say that if they keep their body core warm, then there's less of a problem with hands/feet

This sufferer agrees, and also agrees with the later comment about keeping writs warm. You can buy fleece 'wristies', or fingerless fleece mitts with long wrists. Or just cut the toes out of a pair of woollen socks and use them as mitts. Sew a little thumb loop if you like...

http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/info/search.php?forum=0&dates=1&name=&topic=raynaud&...
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=436738
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?t=544944&v=1#x7290570
gear boy - on 11 Sep 2013
In reply to thebigfriendlymoose: seconded or is it thirded.. old thick long socks with the toe cut off and a thumb hole cut in to use as arm warmers, cheap as chips as they are in your sock drawer right now
Flat4matt - on 13 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

Don't go cutting up socks, here you go.

http://www.skimarket.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=536

I have a pair and they're lovley. Hold heat well around the wrists and couple these with some latok gloves and my hands are fine most of time. If it really plummets and don't need dexterity then I go to merino liner gloves(sealskin for about a a tenner) with the wrist warmers overtop and a mitt over top(montane extreme I think?!)

Everyone is different so not all these ideas may work for you.

Don't forget the old dachstein mitts too!

Also it may sound abit odd but don't neglect stretching the top of your back and shoulders. I find when I'm tight I get cold hands easier. I appreciate you have raynauds but just an idea for anyone who suffers cold hands/poor circulation, it may help.
! Att
Nick Russell on 13 Sep 2013
In reply to Carolyn:
> (In reply to filip.kamycki)
>
> if [you] keep their body core warm, then there's less of a problem with hands/feet.

Seconded. I wouldn't say I have Reynaud's, but I do seem to have more of a problem with keeping blood in my hands and feet than a lot of my friends. Keeping core warm is the most effective solution (prevention) for me.
HB1 - on 13 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki: a lot of good advice here. Certainly I find mitts rather than gloves are better, and keeping the wrists cosy warm is a good thing, but I find Raynards catches me out when least expected (just like the Spanish Inquisition!) like on a chill day in August, or walking round the cold part of the supermarket after being out all day - for me that's more likely than when I'm prepared and not defences-down. Interestingly I've never experienced Raynards when running (incl. off-road and in the snow). I always buy gloves and mitts big size, and still favour my old Dachsteins
needvert on 13 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

Dunno about your condition...but as someone who gets cold hands, I second the chemical hand warmers.
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Damo on 14 Sep 2013
In reply to filip.kamycki:

I guided a client in Antarctica who had Raynauds - though he didn't tell us until he arrived :-/

He tried wearing three pairs of gloves but they were not sized to be all worn together so when combined were actually too tight and so did not help. I was not involved in his pre-trip preparation so I had no say in his gear selection.

So if you want to wear multiple gloves make sure they all work *together* and are relatively loose and comfortable. Having several pairs of gloves for one outing is not unusual in mountaineering and need not be expensive.

We treated him with nifedipine, which seemed to help somewhat as it aids circulation to extremities (often used to treat frostbite) but I would not recommend this for regular non-expedition use. See a doctor. Gingko biloba is often used but real clinical evidence is thin and gives some people uncomfortable hot flushes.

Buffalo mitts inside big Primaloft Marmot Expedition mitts were finally his most comfortable solution, giving both freedom of movement plus insulation. If you're just walking then mitts will fine as you probably don't need the dexterity. Note that Buffalo mitts are sized unusually small.

Of course the above info in other posts re: feeding and warming the core and staying hydrated etc is essential too.

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