/ Arcteryx; worth the money?
As an Arcteryx owner/fan, I would say - if you can get it on sale yes, if you can't no.
Its like rolls royce: the quality, performance and construction is reflected in the price, but you can still get to the shops in a hyundai.
Mostly what is reflected in the price is the premium you pay for the brand.
Arcteryx kit isn't objectively twice as good as the competition, but still costs twice as much. The extra cost isn't worth it for me; YMMV (and you may of course be much richer!).
That's interesting; I've found ME medium fits me well like Arcteryx, Marmot and Patagonia. It's RAB that is too slim in the shoulders and chest for me in medium, but if I got up to large then I have flappy arms and to much body length.
Not much of a beer monster so I must be a he-man. The missus will be delighted to hear. ;)
> Mostly what is reflected in the price is the premium you pay for the brand.
partly. the arcteryx brand also develops many of its own fabrics and production process, and also trains and insures its workers to a standard almost unheard of in oother companies. so yes, some of the price is the wank-value of the little bird thing, but some is also the brands standards.
> Arcteryx kit isn't objectively twice as good as the competition, but still costs twice as much. The extra cost isn't worth it for me; YMMV (and you may of course be much richer!).
agreed, its not twice as good, but its often far more developed. they use all sorts of proprietry methods rarely used by other companies due to cost. by owning their own facilities and having workers trained in the technologies they use they have a a greater R&D process than most others who use common brand factories and technology shared by many.
whether it makes it twice as (or whatever the cost ratio is) depends what you deem as good. almost double the stitch count takes almost double the time to sew and produces a seam almost twice as strong. their seam taping etc too is also at a much higher standard than most.
as a product, id say some of their stuff is twice as good as some of the competition if judged on quality, innovation, development etc. whether it functions twice as well is debatable tho.
I find my Atom LT "twice as good" as the Montane Prism it replaced - better cut, materials, comfort etc.
But didn't pay twice as much for it because I got it half price. Win!
I wouldn't worry about brand too much but in your place I'd definitely go for one of the new more breathable materials - Active Shell, Neo Shell etc.
I got a Rab Stretch Neo jacket a few weeks ago when my old Event jacket ceased to be even slightly water resistant and am delighted with it. Styed compeltely dry when I took it out in pouring rain; tested the breathability by doing a strenuous uphill hike in it in conditions where I would normally just wear a windshirt. Felt a bit clammier inside than I would with a windshirt, but nowhere near as bad as with a normal goretex jacket.
(Another half price win in the Snow & Rock summer sale)
Do you need to pay for high price Arcteryzx jackets to walk/climb in Scotland ? clearly not
Worth the money ? only you can decide. Some people find it worth the money because they want the brand
I have never been disappointed with ANYTHING I've got from Arc'teryx - they are expensive, but if you can afford it why not! If you don't have silly amounts of money to throw around then find the best garment your budget will allow.
My biggest problem is that most brands feel a bit tight (round the shoulders) and Arc' fit perfectly - sods law ! ;-)
What is it with Rab and their sizing? I'm hardly massively shouldered, and take medium in everything, but I can't wear anything Rab in that size, it's like wearing a straight jacket round the shoulders and chest. There's a few Rab bits I've wanted to buy, but just can't fit in them.
In reply to the question, 'Is Arcteryx worth the money' is a subjective choice, but generally I think their stuff is better designed and cut than other brands, but of course depends on whether it fits you and whether you're willing to pay for it.
Dunno, but interesting because they're pretty much the only brand I've found where the women's cut isn't a dramatically better fit on me than the men's.
Yeah, they just seem to make some dramatic hip flare thing and then make them in horrible colours!
Yeah for sure, but since I've heard more comments on the Rab sizing than any other brand seems a bit odd for them to be so restrictive with their choice of size. Guess maybe they think it's OK and sells fine.
Just buy any neo-shell - it pisses on Gtx.
Actually, my whinge - a few years back - was that the women's didn't flare out at the hip, so maybe I'm to blame.....
Although I think it's noticeably less windproof. Have you noticed that?
I've got the rab neoshell trousers & 1st generation neoshell jacket.
Although it's "only" 99.9% windproof, I've not noticed any issues. The jacket has been used extensively, walking in the Peak and in North Wales, so it's not had any serious gales to put up with, but like I said, I can't seem to notice the 0.1% wind getting through.
I have ridden my bike to the pub wearing it too, and again, didn't feel the wind penetrating.
Having said all that, I don't notice the wind getting through my powersheild (not pro) jacket either, which claims a 98% windproofing....
I always thought the RAB sizing thing was just me! I really like the look of lots of their stuff but it just never fits. It is not like I am a crazy size but in RAB anything that fits around the body is ridiculously long in the arms.
I''m becoming a big Montane fan......
Never been able to persuade myself to try the Arcteryx stuff - near me the sensible shoes/ironed jeans/striped shirt tim-nice-but-dim brigade have started to swap their North face jackets for Arcteryx. Down hill from here I think.
I thought I noticed it with the first neoshell I tried http://www.ukclimbing.com/gear/review.php?id=4425 oddly the first time was on a bike, pulling it on over just a t-shirt and riding to the shop for some milk when it was about -5. I was sure that I could feel air coming through on my lower arms which were bare under the jacket. Also going out of the house on very cold nights, normally to go out xc skiing I thought I could feel it, but it was always very marginal with the zion and normally with midlayers under you didn't notice. I'm now testing another neoshell jacket which is slightly lighter and this time in much worse weather (high in Arctic Norway, temps well below freezing and strong winds) it was more noticeable, and I was left thinking Goretex doesn't feel like this. It's not to say it necessarily a bad thing - because its so breathable - but it is a 'thing' all the same.
> I always thought the RAB sizing thing was just me! I really like the look of lots of their stuff but it just never fits.
No, same here. They make some great stuff but it's just too tight across the back and shoulders and too billowy around the waist. I like the long arms though. Must be hard to try and fit everybody, but we assume they know what they're doing and have done their research - and they're still in business. They've missed out a thousand quid or more from me though.
Nowadays I find if I'm going to spend this kind of money on clothes I want them to fit as well as possible, which rules out lots of popular brands. I found Direct Alpine jackets to have a good climbing fit - trim waist, wide shoulders, long arms, protective hood - http://www.directalpine.com - and the Dynafit clothing seems similar - http://www.dynafit.com/products-winter/clothing.html.
Arc'teryx stuff, I really like most of what they do but the prices, particularly in the UK and EU are just way too much for me. Pretty much any Arc I have I got on sale. I like that they make the effort to be excellent though, so I won't knock them. Their fit has varied a bit over the years, at least in the lines I've used, but most companies are the same. Some also vary fit between different lines for different end-use, as Patagonia do.
It's true of all air permeable fabrics, including Event; they let a little air through. I'm not sure about the new Gore-tex Pro, but everything after Gen I Gore-tex was not air-permeable, due to the continuous PU smear to deal with oil contamination.
Air permeability is a double-edged sword; lets the fug out a bit better, but some warmth goes with the fug...
No need to worry - Arcteryx make a special range just for them
The old gag about "all the gear but no idea" doesn't really apply to wealthy people who've skied two or three times a year since their youth. But perhaps in Val d'Isere it's the brand that shouts: "I've all the gear, now is the sky clear?"
I've never seen a snowboarder wearing Arcteryx, mind.
Not baggy enough?
> Not baggy enough?
Way too neat. Exactly. Looks all wrong with a bobble hat.
Most of my Kit is Arcteryx,Alpha Lt/Sv hardshells, climbing trews Harness etc
Well made Kit and I've picked it all up
Much cheaper than Rrp which I personally Don't think it's worth the money And I have a fair bit of product, if you can pick it up cheaper then it's worth it otherwise I wouldn't say it's worth full Rrp
I've also got the Atom Lt and Sv and whilst there good jkts nowhere near worth £180/£200! Compared to a montage Flux jkt or Rab Generator Alpine,M.e Fitzroy
Rab Neoshell jkt pisses over both my Alpha jkts at half the price! If it fits you!
Your buying into a top of the line brand with a price tag to match, All Kit Rrps are only going one way North.
if you've got the Disposable Readies then spend it otherwise having an eye for a bargain is very Beneficial in the kit game
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