Does anyone know why the valleys of Swindale and Haweswater are littered with red/white and green/white flags. The initials UPM are painted on some of them.
They are off path and scattered in an illogical manner up the valley sides.
In reply to Tim Chappell:
If this is the case it is a worrying development and should receive more publicity.
Over the last few decades, there seems to have existed a better approach to planting trees in contrast to the dense forests of ,say, Ennerdale just after the war.
May be completely wrong here but the positioning of the flags would suggest possible forestry development.
It seems odd that this can be done in Britain's busiest national park without any kind of public consultation. Or have we missed a postmark-sized announcement in the personal ads pages of The Westmorland Gazette?
> (In reply to garethb)>
> It seems odd that this can be done in Britain's busiest national park without any kind of public consultation. Or have we missed a postmark-sized announcement in the personal ads pages of The Westmorland Gazette?
It's been done at Thirlmere, fait accompli, no announcements. Best way to do it when you are in business. The question about who should be guardians of the Lake District doesn't come into it.
I wonder if it's all possibly part of the same planting scheme - but only the fencing needed planning, not the actual planting, some of which might be scattered? Don't know, just assuming Gareth recognises a forestry sign when he hears one described....
In the Lake District erosion, caused by over-grazing, land cultivation, drainage and human trampling, has resulted in soil loss and excessive sedimentation of watercourses, leading to local increases in flood risk and damage to important habitats and several freshwater priority species. The Forestry Commission (FC), Cumbria Woodlands, the National Trust, The Woodland Trust and Natural England, have come together in joint initiatives to address issues such as water quality, soil erosion and flooding across the National Park. As part of this work, Forest Research has created maps for Lake District National Park that identify land with vulnerable soils at risk from hill slope and stream bank erosion, where woodland creation has the potential to reduce diffuse pollution and improve water quality.
UPM have done some good work with the RSPB to plant native tree plantations in the Lakes, so not necessarily bad news ... Though I'm sure that is good publicity to counterbalance other work.
Couldit also be that the flags are part of a planning permission process to give planners visiting the site a visual representation of the extent of a new development from an appropriate viewing point?
> (In reply to Dave Cumberland) how would you get rid of bracken?
> tree planting to reduce flood risks is surely a good idea?
The two are totally unrelated. The 2009 flood in Cmouth and Keswick was caused by UU neither anticipating nor thinking ahead after 3 weeks of high rainfall and reservoirs at peak levels and not lowered by UU, then letting all the water out of Thirlmere at the same time as the rainfall peaked. Madness.
> (In reply to Dave Cumberland)
> Caused by past overgrazing of sheep. No mention of that, eh. The best way to control bracken is to put a canopy over it. Not the NPA doing it.
You are not making sense, please explain what point you are trying to make using plain English. Currently, we have gone through over-grazing, sheep removal, now we actually need more sheep than there are at present to trample and reduce bracken, otherwise we are all stuffed.
In reply to Dave Cumberland: bracken doesnt like shade, plant a broadleaf woodland (loosely) and biodiversity will improve. Grants to subsidise are available, bracken dies back a bit irrespective of sheep numbers then. Nature knows best, we don't.