/ Kalymnos mopeds
Not to say the mopeds aren't annoying, but they're certainly very useful if you want to visit any of the more out of the way crags.
I used a car when I was there! But we had diving gear as well as climbing stuff to cart around, and greater distances to cover.
Kalymnos is pretty devoid of atmosphere anyway, being somewhat barren etc, so there was not much to detract from it in the first place...
You clearly have somehow managed to escape being within earshot of groups of Italian climbers at the Grande Grotte then! I'd rather listen to moped engines than hear that lot shrieking and carrying on :-)
Yes. I like the idea of polluting when no doubt most climbers drive cars in this country whilst those scooters will do about 80-100+ mpg. Most have 2 people on them too, and you can park loads of them without much fuss. Are far as going cragging they're great, especially going to ahri, aginonta etc.The 2 strokes are noisy though. I don't see many people on bikes in the peak district, lots of guzzling larger cars and 4x4s though. You're on holiday, relax, if you want some peace and quiet have a day at kastri or something.
How did you get to Kalymnos?
> How did you get to Kalymnos?
I can only assume you are refering to the local people.
Many Greeks don`t have much money so the moped is a great cheaper option, i suggest you stay at home if you don`t like the way the locals live.
There is a regular bus service up and down the whole length of the road. The times fit well with the climbing day and tickets cost about a euro. It may seem restricting to use a timetabled bus, but it works much like a ski-lift - up after breakfast, home just before dark. I have been offered unsolicited lifts by locals when walking back along that road, they're generally keen on climbers. and for Telendos there is the boat. But it can be quite hard to find out about the public transport options in advance, and there are different winter and summer timetables. The climb Kalymnos website could possibly do better in this respect.
I was more afraid that the moped riders were going to fall off the edge of the road due to only having learned to ride one that morning.
The climbers have changed the island true; they have extended (doubled) the tourist season and brought a very welcome revenue stream with a loads of extra cash flowing into to the place.
Personally I think the scooters are horrible, noisy, smelly and dangerous, but they help a lot of folks have great holidays.
The sponge blight of the early 70s changed the character of Kalymnos. I might start a thread about that.
>Are climbers really so lazy and soft?
It's sport climbing ffs. Mopeds fit entirely into this most manufactured branch of the sport. Fair play to you cycling from Kos to Kaly though
> Personally I think the scooters are horrible, noisy, smelly and dangerous, but they help a lot of folks have great holidays.
1) They take up little room which kalymnos is quite short of.
2) Contribute to the economy
3) Are economical on petrol/emissions especially the 4 strokes.
4) The locals all ride them as well so nothing strange or unfamilar,
5) Are rarely rode passengerless so used efficiently.
6) They aren't likely to cause major damage as they are restricted to around 30 mph and are relatively very light.
7) They allow people to move with the sun and get more climbing in, the locals want climbers to enjoy themselves and come back having felt they got their moneys worth.
8) They are cheap to rent and run and locals want climbers to come back having felt they have had their moneys worth.
9) They allow climbers to travel round to other areas, spreading the income to places like emborios, vathi and others.
10) They allow climbers to visit other than the honey pot crags and allow development further affield from massouri increasing the number/variety of routes making kalymnos an even better destination to visit and spend money.
Any more you need? Yes they are noisy, in particular the 2 strokes which are a higher pitch sound, I give you that.
> Any more you need? Yes they are noisy, in particular the 2 strokes which are a higher pitch sound, I give you that.
Agree with all your points. Really they are not all that noisy. A bit of a nuisance in Massouri itself but I barely remember hearing them from the crags.
Equally, there was a shuttle bus operated but it failed due to opposition from taxi drivers. I think a few electric shuttles using solar power would be an option. I cant imagine more petrol powered personal transport is the answer.
> 1) They take up little room which kalymnos is quite short of.
> 2) Contribute to the economy
> 3) Are economical on petrol/emissions especially the 4 strokes.
> 4) The locals all ride them as well so nothing strange or unfamilar,
> 5) Are rarely rode passengerless so used efficiently.
> 6) They aren't likely to cause major damage as they are restricted to around 30 mph and are relatively very light.
> 7) They allow people to move with the sun and get more climbing in, the locals want climbers to enjoy themselves and come back having felt they got their moneys worth.
> 8) They are cheap to rent and run and locals want climbers to come back having felt they have had their moneys worth.
> 9) They allow climbers to travel round to other areas, spreading the income to places like emborios, vathi and others.
> 10) They allow climbers to visit other than the honey pot crags and allow development further affield from massouri increasing the number/variety of routes making kalymnos an even better destination to visit and spend money.
> Any more you need? Yes they are noisy, in particular the 2 strokes which are a higher pitch sound, I give you that.
I think the OP is concerned SOLELY with the noise.
Ever get the feeling that you're in a significant minority?
You obviously have an issue with these "beastly things" / "little horrors" - the vast majority of posters on this thread clearly do not.
You asked in the OP "Is it just me?" - you now have your answer, so let it go.
Business oportunity? cheap hybrid bikes with a panier rack big enuogh for a sport sack and rope?
I'd go for one of these over a scooter.
> I think the OP is concerned SOLELY with the noise.
Yes I see that. He doesn't give a shit about the island, he just wants some peace and quiet whilst on holiday. I get it.
Anyone saying that a 50cc scooter sounds like an F1 car needs to have their ears tested.
They are slowly encouraging 4 strokes over 2, which is a decent thing. Better for environment/even more economical, they also make a much less annoying sound. Cars are not the answer, there is little space to park already in massouri (which is why locals usually don't bother with them), not to mention the parking for some crags. Kastri for example you will struggle to get more than 2 cars there but a dozen scooters will fit. I don't know many people who travel in groups of 5 to the crag, not doubting that you did, it's just not the norm. 2 scooters for a group of 4 is miles better to be honest, they're still 1/10th the cubic capacity of a 1l car combined and caters for most partners to have autonomy and travel in the most economical way.
Electric scooters/cars have their own problem, this is a small greek island, not tokyo. This is a place where you after to order a wifi booster from Athens and it takes weeks to arrive costing far more than it should. Electric powered vehicles are expensive, and have expensive and heavy batteries that have a limited lifespan. There just isn't the infastructure to support it, everyone is in apartments which would make powering the vehicles overnight next to impossible. The apartments would also have to raise prices considerably for the extra electricity used(they charge an extra 5 euros a night at most places for working aircon). If something goes wrong, they aren't nearly as easy to fix. Also, I don't mind hearing the scooter coming whilst walking around massouri shopping or to a restraunt, I do appreciate the heads up. I'm afraid it's not even remotely viable for the island, I could go on but I won't.
I like that these things are taken seriously and these ideas would be awesome if they were workable. The scooters represent life on the island and are an efficient method of getting around. There is a reason why the locals all ride them, and I don't care if Steve from Milton Keynes(?) thinks they're too noisy. They aren't even that loud, if you don't like the sound of a tiny engine I think you are pretty much stuck when you are climbing on roadside crags. Want peace and quiet Steve? Don't be so lazy and climb something over an hour from the road.
We also rode our scooters to the taverna in Polionisis bay at least 4 times to spread our custom and enjoy the wonderful place, I don't think they were bothered how we got there.
Another day we rode to Vathy for a look and took our custom there I didn't see them turning their nose up at our custom either.
I do think if the bus service was developing as fast as the climbing then more people would use it. We have used the bus before, if you manage to squeeze on the only one in the morning, then you are faced with a wait of 2 to 3 hours for the only one back. The sun makes climbing too hot after about 2pm and the bus dose not come until 6pm! A bus every half hour say 8.30- 9.00- and 9.30. then 2.30- 3.00- and 3.30 would be great, but still won't get you to Polionisis Bay!
I don't think the scooter rental owners would like this solution!! But seriously, the Kalymnions have done a great job in looking after the climbers and scooters are part of the mix.
"The lady doth protest too much, me thinks!"
Aside from the obvious chip resting on your shoulder from cycling all the way from the UK, do you actually remember Kalymnos pre-mopeds?
We pushed the choke in on ours, it went much faster as well
a good compromise would be a fleet of electric bicycles with large panniers - quiet, easy to charge in apartments or campsites, good for the environment, and you can get a pretty good range out of them.
They are still fairly expensive, but can't cost much more than a petrol scooter
Scooters are all part of the fun of Kalymnos, at least as much fun as the climbing.
They also allow to spread the load of people out from the popular crags, and allow exploration of the island, opening of new routes and development of new cliffs. (and accessing the fantastic "pirate bar")
Get over it innit.
Whoever mentioned starting a thread on the 1970's Kalymnos "sponge blight" that's a great idea, would be really interested to see that.
And also whoever made the cycling from kos to Kalymnos comment, nice work, that must be some badass Roger Moore style bike conversion!
quite right....i find the noise from traffic at Tremadog, worse than anything i've experienced in Kalymnos.
Not completely relevant but I wonder how many people know that the scooters don't necessarily live on Kalymnos. I don't know where they come from, but at each end of each season the get shipped in/out to somewhere on big lorries,
A bit of a comedown from the Kawasaki 750 in your garage, hope you can handle the power. I reckon this thread was just an excuse to gloat about your 3 week break in Kaly.
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