/ Boot Fitting Problems
Who fitted them? The liner will give about 15%
If it's a minor niggle I wouldn't worry, if it feels as if you couldn't wear them then something needs to change, not neccisarily the boot though!
It feels like a piece of plastic is digging into the top of my foot rather than an area of pressure so I feel that it is probably the shape of the boot itself. even after wearing them for a few minutes the top of my foot was red and sore.
I think you know the answer is don't buy boots online - you really need to try them on and keep them on in the shop for a good while, stomp around in them a bit, flex you knees, push your shins against the fronts etc. Any decent shop will encourage you to do this. Probably doesn't help you now though, sorry! Is buying really a necessity?
Stupidly simple idea but:
Do you just have them too tight?
I think lots of folks (myself included) give themselves problems by overtightening boots.
Normally they would be reasonably comfortable from the start. Some shaping of the inner boot will happen with use. If they are really uncomfortable then if you can return them, for an exchange or refund then that would be best "if" the boots really are not a good fit for your feet. If you went to a Nevisport shop I would be surprised that they did not help with a proper fitting. That said I am sure you will have done basic checks inside the boots but in case you have not, take out the footbed, the inner boot, and the footbed under the liner and check that all is correct. In particular check that the plastic of the outer boot overlaps correctly and not the opposite way as often happens if the boot is opened up too far either when the inner boot is put in or when putting your foot in. The inner boots do change/compress/mould etc and you can alter and mould the outer boot with heat. It is more a last resort though.
Best advice is get to a shop and get them to look at your feet, it's impossible to size people up correctly in terms of boot size and volume without seeing their feet.
If you want to try them again before you return them try putting them on like this:
Put foot in boot
Bang heel on floor in a way that will seat your heel into the back of the boot, i.e don't bang the sole of the boot in a downwards motion.
Start with the 2nd buckle down and do it tight, then the top one tight and then the power strap.
Now stand up and flex forward once or twice.
Then do your lower buckles, these only need to be finger tight, they are only there to hold the seal of the boot not put any pressure down.
All this will make a difference to where your foot sits in the shell. Hope it all makes sense!
If your still feeling pressure then the instep is too low, what brand of boot are they?
I'd like to use the boots at home, in Wales, so buying is preferable.
I tried just loosening them but there was still pressure, i really like to have my boots tight as i've tried loosening them (hire boots) previously when they've felt tight and I didn't ski nearly as well.
I had a good look at all the bits of the boot and couldn't find anything that was wrong/was clearly the problem.
As mentioned I live in Wales, in the brecon beacons, and the nearest Nevisport is Manchester so too far to make the trip.
I tried them on again and tightened them in the way suggested but they still hurt. They are Salomon Quest Access 70s.
I think i'll probably exchange them for a different pair and go from there. The cost of posting boots back is cheaper than going to a shop. I don't need a perfect fit, as long as I can last a whole day without too much pain i'll be fine.
Sorry it really is a case of trying on different makes/models to see what suits you.
A quick google suggests that your model has a custom fit liner? If so have you had them properly heat fitted? If you havn't is that part of the problem? If you have had a return will probably not be possible - better check before returning.
Another thought is that, as you probably know, the outer boot is a standard size for a range of different foot sizes and it is the "outer footbed" (not sure if that is actually the correct term) sizing that is changed to size them correctly. If the outer footbed is the wrong one for your foot size then it will not fit correctly. The sizing is usually stamped on the plastic footbed that sits under the liner boots.
Salomon have never suited my feet. Personally I have liked Technica over many years but currently have a Head pair (which was a surprise to me when trying on as Head boots of yesteryear were not comfortable to me)! If you had a local footwear shop that could properly size your feet, then phoning a ski shop with the details may allow them to make reasonable suggestions for you to try/buy but the only way to guarantee fitting is to try them in the shop and have them on for at least half an hour walking about, and then finally personalised with the heat treatment of the liner (if it is custom fit type). BTW I always replace the standard footbed for a superfeet thermal one which helps with the fit.
Have you ever used Tecnica's Airshell boots:
is the inflatable thing a gimmick or does it work?
Also, would a better (more expensive) boot theoretically allow me to ski better (assuming they both fit well) what are the advantages of a more expensive boot? I'm already fairly competent and can do red runs well but am looking to move into blacks and off piste and eventually ski touring/mountaineering, would either of those boots be suitable for that kind of stuff?
As before, thanks for all the responses, this is all really useful.
The more expensive the boot the more performance oriented it becomes, the fit tightens up all around, liners are made of stiffer foam, the forward lean (angle the boot pushes you into) becomes greater and more aggressive, plastics become stiffer.
The trade off is comfort however if a boot is properly fitted then this shouldn't be an issue.
I ski red runs comfortably and occasionally blacks and have a 100 flex boot. 80 would be more comfortable but lack the performance to make me feel supported on the harder pistes.
In terms of boots with high insteps, options that would be good for alpine skiing and some touring there are some options:
Atomic traditionally have a high instep with low volume heels and toe boxes, this particular pair have a soft panel on the width to accommodate a wider foot if needed.
The salomons have a custom heat mouldable outer shell (the white part of the clog visible on the boot), this coupled with the liner should give you the height you need over the instep but would have to be done instore.
I'd take the hit and travel to a shop, you could spend as much posting boots back and forth fairly quickly!
I asked Nevisport if they could recommend me some boots with a higher instep and one of the models they suggested was by tecnica.
> Have you ever used Tecnica's Airshell boots:
> here: http://www.nevisport.com/pr/3733/mens-phoenix-80-airshell-ski-boots
Sorry can't recommend specific boots as it is so dependant on your actually ski level, your ability to progress, how they fit you, etc.
Strongly suggest that you just go to a good ski technician for a fitting. Look at it as longer term investment. After all a good boot suited for you will last years if only a few weeks per yr. I know folk who skimped and binned boots after a few days or weeks as they were uncomfortable or wrong spec'd for them.
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