In reply to Climbing Pieman: I've been using them for over 15 years, I teach Outdoor Education and have used them on many trips to Scandinavia, Alaska, Greenland, Canada etc i.e. very wet places! I've been happy with them as they are very hard wearing and comfortable. I've only ever applied the wax a few times and got bored of doing so, I value the trousers more for the reasons mentioned more than for any waterproof / repellent qualities, though they do dry reasonably quick which I have been glad of on many very wet expeditions. Would definitely recommend.