In reply to JayPee630: Montane Alpine Stretch works very well in a layering system as it has adjustable cuffs, two way zip, is climbing movement friendly, breathes well and isn't very heavy/too warm. And it's very good value next to the Arcteryx.
In reply to JayPee630: I tend to look at the fabric and fit. I personally like jackets made out of polartec powershield as it seems water resistant enough and breaths well. The Mrs has an alpine stretch which also seems nice the fabric is own brand but also breaths well and is relatively water resistant.
> (In reply to JayPee630) Rab Exodus is a top bit of kit. Good price too.
It is. My choice went down to Exodus vs Alpine Stretch. I chose the latter on account of its lighter weight, better stretch over an insulated mid layer, superior hood, lower price and a new colour (sorry). Blimey that's a lot of reasons. If I'd wanted a warmer piece the Exodus would have scored higher. Happy shopping.
In reply to alasdair19: the SL is ace. I sweat like a pig so MX is a no go for me. MX also got crazy tight cuffs which is weird cause I guess climbers ( with larger forearms than gen. population) is one of the target groups.
Instead of LT I bought Norröna Falketind Flex which norwegian MRT uses. It has perfect fit for me and reinforcements on the shoulders and the hood. More athletic fit than Arc, im M in Arc L in scandinavian brands.
> Have seen the Arcteryx SL Hybrid online which looks good,
I googled that - it appears to be a standard goretex hardshell, not a softshell at all. Anyway I was just going to suggest a lot of the softshells people are suggesting ARE membrane fabrics, Powershield is, Windstopper (the Norrona one Daniel suggested) is etc. That might not make them bad softshells by any means - but if you know you want a non-membrane one its something to be aware of.
I think in dry, cold weather stretch woven softshells (like the Rab and Montane you mention) can be great. I had a Marmot one for years and years that was my main ok weather ice climbing jacket for half a decade. No sweat, stretchy, super hard wearing. I now use a Haglöf one - Viper I think - which is also good and has done lots of service for at least five years. But I know they're not windproof in lousy conditions. For big mountain rock routes I still tend to take a pertex windproof because they're so light and are windproof. I use the stretch-woven softshell for general cool weather cragging, a summer jacket, and sometimes for 'sweaty' winter things like XC skiing or when I go to the little local icefalls and solo a bunch of the moderate and easy lines.
My mate has the RAB Exodus and it looks great and he seems to really like it. Seems to be a bit heavier (hence warmer?) than the Scimitar.
The Norröna Falketind Flex Ive bought is approx. 80% norrönas own Flex material, 20% Gore windstopper (Hood, shoulders). That is not à bad thing even in my sweaty opinion. I think the falketind will be excellent for semicold winterdays, the Arc will be perfect down to maybe 7-8 minus degrees.
Rab exodus seems popular and at a competitive price but according to my friends the jacket is really warm if you sweat easily.
Yeah, I have a pertex windshell as well that I use for most of the year, but in really cold windy dry conditions I'd probably layer it under the yet-to-be-bought non membrane softshell. That or use a thin synthetic layer as a midlayer.
In reply to HeMa: there is no membrain in it.
It is however superthin so for scottish mixed or Chamonix granite it wont last forever. Its not even close to be a do-it-all jacket. Quite specialised bit of kit. But for its niche, super!