/ Recommendations for non-membrane softshell jacket
Have seen the Arcteryx SL Hybrid online which looks good, and have the Montane Alpine Stretch and Rab Scimitar look like they fit the bill as well.
Any others I'm missing?
I've always been a fan of the Cioch Glamaig... ;-)
I'm a big fan of the RAB Baltoro
Bloody heavy though!
It is. My choice went down to Exodus vs Alpine Stretch. I chose the latter on account of its lighter weight, better stretch over an insulated mid layer, superior hood, lower price and a new colour (sorry). Blimey that's a lot of reasons. If I'd wanted a warmer piece the Exodus would have scored higher. Happy shopping.
Instead of LT I bought Norröna Falketind Flex which norwegian MRT uses. It has perfect fit for me and reinforcements on the shoulders and the hood. More athletic fit than Arc, im M in Arc L in scandinavian brands.
I googled that - it appears to be a standard goretex hardshell, not a softshell at all. Anyway I was just going to suggest a lot of the softshells people are suggesting ARE membrane fabrics, Powershield is, Windstopper (the Norrona one Daniel suggested) is etc. That might not make them bad softshells by any means - but if you know you want a non-membrane one its something to be aware of.
I think in dry, cold weather stretch woven softshells (like the Rab and Montane you mention) can be great. I had a Marmot one for years and years that was my main ok weather ice climbing jacket for half a decade. No sweat, stretchy, super hard wearing. I now use a Haglöf one - Viper I think - which is also good and has done lots of service for at least five years. But I know they're not windproof in lousy conditions. For big mountain rock routes I still tend to take a pertex windproof because they're so light and are windproof. I use the stretch-woven softshell for general cool weather cragging, a summer jacket, and sometimes for 'sweaty' winter things like XC skiing or when I go to the little local icefalls and solo a bunch of the moderate and easy lines.
My mate has the RAB Exodus and it looks great and he seems to really like it. Seems to be a bit heavier (hence warmer?) than the Scimitar.
This is the Arcteryx jacket, def. softshell, lightest and most breathable of the 6 different softshells Ive used.
The Norröna Falketind Flex Ive bought is approx. 80% norrönas own Flex material, 20% Gore windstopper (Hood, shoulders). That is not à bad thing even in my sweaty opinion. I think the falketind will be excellent for semicold winterdays, the Arc will be perfect down to maybe 7-8 minus degrees.
Rab exodus seems popular and at a competitive price but according to my friends the jacket is really warm if you sweat easily.
> This is the Arcteryx jacket, def. softshell, lightest and most breathable of the 6 different softshells Ive used.
Yet I believe it has a membrain in it. Just like Gamma AR and MX have.
Yeah, that's it. No membrane.
Yeah, I have a pertex windshell as well that I use for most of the year, but in really cold windy dry conditions I'd probably layer it under the yet-to-be-bought non membrane softshell. That or use a thin synthetic layer as a midlayer.
It is however superthin so for scottish mixed or Chamonix granite it wont last forever. Its not even close to be a do-it-all jacket. Quite specialised bit of kit. But for its niche, super!
Yeah fair play, I probably got the name a bit wrong or incomplete. Why Arcteryx use such a weird naming system I'll never know, it seems designed to baffle everyone!
And yeah, it does seem very thin, more like a burly windshirt. I might look at the Gamma LT (!?) softshell instead. I do like light though!
> Yeah fair play, I probably got the name a bit wrong or incomplete. Why Arcteryx use such a weird naming system I'll never know, it seems designed to baffle everyone!
SL ~= Super Light
AR = Allround
SV = Severe
LT = Light
And those variations can all exists per product line (Alpha, Beta, Theta, Gamma).
I know, I've seen that. I must have some kind of mental block with it when you throw in the other bits like Gamma/Beta/etc etc.!
The LT felt too thick and heavy, and the cut didnt really do it for me. À friend of mine is however pretty happy with his but he is built like an North american, rather stocky.
Oh, thanks, I like the look of that (apart from the price). Will have to try and find one to try on.
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