In reply to alexgoodey:
> Was thinking about Sealskinz?
I have a pair of sealskins extreme cold weather gloves, and sorry I do not rate them at all. This is the second winter, and I very rarely use them. Yes the are fully waterproof in themselves, but the big gauntlet coupled with its stiffness is very hard to cinch down tight on to your outer layer - the result is water finds it's way down quickly into the glove. Would be better under the jacket cuff but it's a large gauntlet so not easy for most jackets. I've had the back of the hand feeling cold and wet within 15mins wearing in heavy rain. Also, when I have used them in dry but cold conditions I do not find them particularly warm. By themselves without a liner glove personally I would limit them to 0 C at the lowest. I think it is the type of liner that to me makes them feel colder. Lovely feel and super waterproof, but for me extremely limited. I would never take them on to a mountain. Be interesting if other have a better view of them. BTW think they only do up to xl.
On the other hand I use Montane extreme as my go to winter glove (only winter walking, not climbing). Always warm and dry. The softer gauntlet makes it much easier to cinch down tight and coupled to the wrist adjustments, little or no water gets in easily. If water does get in they are so much warmer than my sealskinz and water is usually soaked up into the gauntlet material. Great for wear, but slight doubt over the pertex on the back of hand if you were to snag it on rock - I've never done that so still looking and performing as new into their second year.