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What do you understand by this phrase? How would you define a real man?
In reply to Cameron94:
Explaining its use to a Russian friend and comparing it with what it means in Russian.
Explaining its use to a Russian friend and comparing it with what it means in Russian.
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
Just show them a photo of Chuck Norris
> Explaining its use to a Russian friend and comparing it with what it means in Russian.
Just show them a photo of Chuck Norris
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
Are you Lemming, are you Lemming, are you Lemming in disguise? Are you Lemming in disguise?
More seriously, I think it's mainly used to mean someone who doesn't feel they have to prove their manliness by conforming to a macho stereotype.
Are you Lemming, are you Lemming, are you Lemming in disguise? Are you Lemming in disguise?
More seriously, I think it's mainly used to mean someone who doesn't feel they have to prove their manliness by conforming to a macho stereotype.
In reply to Alyson:
What? I've explained why I started the thread - I think it's a phrase open to interpretation and wanted to see if a consensus could be reached on what it meant.
> Are you Lemming, are you Lemming, are you Lemming in disguise? Are you Lemming in disguise?
What? I've explained why I started the thread - I think it's a phrase open to interpretation and wanted to see if a consensus could be reached on what it meant.
> More seriously, I think it's mainly used to mean someone who doesn't feel they have to prove their manliness by conforming to a macho stereotype.
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
I'm told there is a Russian saying, 'All the heroes are dead.' By that standard, real men are on the waiting list. They don't shit out, they do what has to be done - despite the consequences.
There are few real men around; they're rare. Always have been rare; always will be rare.
Most likely nationalities? Poles and Russians. Also Germans and British.
And, of course, many of these 'real men' are women. In WWII many of the best Russian snipers were women. No more lonely occupation. And no more dangerous...
Mick
> Explaining its use to a Russian friend and comparing it with what it means in Russian.
I'm told there is a Russian saying, 'All the heroes are dead.' By that standard, real men are on the waiting list. They don't shit out, they do what has to be done - despite the consequences.
There are few real men around; they're rare. Always have been rare; always will be rare.
Most likely nationalities? Poles and Russians. Also Germans and British.
And, of course, many of these 'real men' are women. In WWII many of the best Russian snipers were women. No more lonely occupation. And no more dangerous...
Mick
In reply to Tall Clare:
Naked bear wrestling?
Actually, the Russian version is along the lines of someone who looks after their family, helps people, trustworthy etc
> To compare and contrast with Vladimir Putin, right?
Naked bear wrestling?
Actually, the Russian version is along the lines of someone who looks after their family, helps people, trustworthy etc
In reply to Alyson:
Well it's better than my Mypyrexy thread about quality service. I actually thought when I wrote that "I sound like Mypyrex here")))
I am aware that when people ask me about the English language, my perception of what expressions mean may be skewed, so I sometimes ask my wife or other people. I thought this would be a good one for seeing if we could reach some sort of consensus.
Well it's better than my Mypyrexy thread about quality service. I actually thought when I wrote that "I sound like Mypyrex here")))
I am aware that when people ask me about the English language, my perception of what expressions mean may be skewed, so I sometimes ask my wife or other people. I thought this would be a good one for seeing if we could reach some sort of consensus.
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In reply to Submit to Gravity:
A REAL MAN = like me??.
Uber macho, hairy chest, real ale drinker when I can't get larger, down the betting office after a few pints, to bet on't horses. Then home to the dinner 'the missus' has cooked us. Watch 'the game' on TV afterwards, fall asleep after that, go out 'with lads' later on, come in after a couple more pints, get leg over 'the missus' (whether she's willing or not). Letching after the blond babes, drooling over page 3 in't Sun paper. On't weekend its down to the football club to watch the local team - after a few more pints. A little scrap with the opposition on't way ome. Bah, grand day out. Fall asleep again in front of telly after telling 'the missus ' all about the game.
Oh, its Friday. Better change underwear. (need to smell manly so won't bother with the deodorant if I have a bath on the saturday)
Saturday, begrudgingly go shopping with missus and try to stay interested. Well almost.
Sunday. Watch football, then go down pub for a game of darts. Come home, eat sunday dinner, fall asleep intfront of telly.
Wake up, read rest of Sunday Sun and/or mirror. fall asleep again.
Monday. Phone in sick.
A REAL MAN = like me??.
Uber macho, hairy chest, real ale drinker when I can't get larger, down the betting office after a few pints, to bet on't horses. Then home to the dinner 'the missus' has cooked us. Watch 'the game' on TV afterwards, fall asleep after that, go out 'with lads' later on, come in after a couple more pints, get leg over 'the missus' (whether she's willing or not). Letching after the blond babes, drooling over page 3 in't Sun paper. On't weekend its down to the football club to watch the local team - after a few more pints. A little scrap with the opposition on't way ome. Bah, grand day out. Fall asleep again in front of telly after telling 'the missus ' all about the game.
Oh, its Friday. Better change underwear. (need to smell manly so won't bother with the deodorant if I have a bath on the saturday)
Saturday, begrudgingly go shopping with missus and try to stay interested. Well almost.
Sunday. Watch football, then go down pub for a game of darts. Come home, eat sunday dinner, fall asleep intfront of telly.
Wake up, read rest of Sunday Sun and/or mirror. fall asleep again.
Monday. Phone in sick.
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In reply to Submit to Gravity:
That's vaguely what was lurking in the back of my mind. On the BBC Asian network there was once the topic of 'mummy's boys', how some men conform to the Asian stereotype of still being ruled by their mums even when married, which wasn't seen as very manly.
Things like integrity and keeping one's word come to mind.
In a way that's not being macho, I guess it could include speaking up if one's fe/male partner is being besmirched by others.
It's kind of what I'd see as good things in anybody though, it's a difficult thing to pin down, consistency is always a good thing in other people, male or female.
> Naked bear wrestling?
> Actually, the Russian version is along the lines of someone who looks after their family, helps people, trustworthy etc
That's vaguely what was lurking in the back of my mind. On the BBC Asian network there was once the topic of 'mummy's boys', how some men conform to the Asian stereotype of still being ruled by their mums even when married, which wasn't seen as very manly.
Things like integrity and keeping one's word come to mind.
In a way that's not being macho, I guess it could include speaking up if one's fe/male partner is being besmirched by others.
It's kind of what I'd see as good things in anybody though, it's a difficult thing to pin down, consistency is always a good thing in other people, male or female.
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In reply to Submit to Gravity:
A real man is a man who is not the root of negativity. i Isn't a real man.
Sorry.
A real man is a man who is not the root of negativity. i Isn't a real man.
Sorry.
In reply to Ramblin dave:
From Mars, surely?
> What about "real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri"?
From Mars, surely?
In reply to Timmd:
That's your visa application f*cked!
> Putin would be more manly if he came out the closet. ()
That's your visa application f*cked!
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
Real men-and women:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster
> Explaining its use to a Russian friend and comparing it with what it means in Russian.
Real men-and women:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
How weird, I saw an advert on the side of a loo on Clapham common today.
It said 'Sexual Assault, real men know the difference'
How weird, I saw an advert on the side of a loo on Clapham common today.
It said 'Sexual Assault, real men know the difference'
In reply to waterbaby:
Sounds a bit like that ad' I never replied to
'REAL MEN are WAITING to speak to YOU NOW!
PHONE 07....
Apparently, if you 'phone, it's just some bloke drivelling on about the drill he bought from ScrewFix.
> How weird, I saw an advert on the side of a loo on Clapham common today.
> It said 'Sexual Assault, real men know the difference'
Sounds a bit like that ad' I never replied to
'REAL MEN are WAITING to speak to YOU NOW!
PHONE 07....
Apparently, if you 'phone, it's just some bloke drivelling on about the drill he bought from ScrewFix.
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
A Real Man is not concerned with whether other people think he is a Real Man or not.
A Real Man is not concerned with whether other people think he is a Real Man or not.
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
A real man has a beard and plentiful body hair. All those waxed chest nancies should stop taking those estrogen pills...
A real man has a beard and plentiful body hair. All those waxed chest nancies should stop taking those estrogen pills...
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
A real man can chop down a tree with his bare hands and build a house out of it, all without disturbing his beard.
A real man can chop down a tree with his bare hands and build a house out of it, all without disturbing his beard.
A big f*cking erect penis
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
I was always told you're not a "real" man till you can lift your own weight above your head.
I was always told you're not a "real" man till you can lift your own weight above your head.
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
In reply to csw:
Why the hell would you put that on a forum without a warning?
Why the hell would you put that on a forum without a warning?
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
The answer to your question is dependent on context. The phrase could be used to extract the urine as easily as to heap praise.
The answer to your question is dependent on context. The phrase could be used to extract the urine as easily as to heap praise.
In reply to Trevers:
It never occurred to me that it would be a problem - However my error has been pointed out to me.
It's a portrait - unconventional and thought-provoking, but a portrait nonetheless - and I thought that in the context of a discussion about what a "Real man" is, it was apt.
Here's a guy who has had to make a serious effort to be a man - most of us get born to it - He had to work at it. Good for him I say...
It never occurred to me that it would be a problem - However my error has been pointed out to me.
It's a portrait - unconventional and thought-provoking, but a portrait nonetheless - and I thought that in the context of a discussion about what a "Real man" is, it was apt.
Here's a guy who has had to make a serious effort to be a man - most of us get born to it - He had to work at it. Good for him I say...
In reply to csw:
Sorry, I overreacted. Actually I panicked and closed the tab in my browser before I really registered what I was looking at. It's really not suitable for work, but noone seems to have noticed and the internet filter missed it.
I've just looked up this guy and I have to say... brave man. I'd call the photo art, not pornography, but it should have had a nsfw warning.
> It never occurred to me that it would be a problem - However my error has been pointed out to me.
> It's a portrait - unconventional and thought-provoking, but a portrait nonetheless - and I thought that in the context of a discussion about what a "Real man" is, it was apt.
> Here's a guy who has had to make a serious effort to be a man - most of us get born to it - He had to work at it. Good for him I say...
Sorry, I overreacted. Actually I panicked and closed the tab in my browser before I really registered what I was looking at. It's really not suitable for work, but noone seems to have noticed and the internet filter missed it.
I've just looked up this guy and I have to say... brave man. I'd call the photo art, not pornography, but it should have had a nsfw warning.
In reply to Submit to Gravity:
Nope - have handed in my Man card.....
> Apologising! Call yourself a real man?!
Nope - have handed in my Man card.....
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