In reply to jmills94:
> im getting the impression its rather vegitated!
Not really, there's just a few islands of brambles, like on the Beeston Eliminate, where you have to traverse past brambles, hence the secateurs which you should rack up.
> was looking at doing pocket symphony, the thorn and i think there is another e1 thats meant to be good. would these be really overgrown?
I remember them as bramble free, but it's been a while.
Its also a great crag for soft, confidence boosting E points, Pocket Symphony, Deaf Dove, Evensong and Black Grub are all a stroll at their grades.
Base yourself at the L of the crag and if you want to do a route on the R (eg Black Grub), prepare yourself for a horizontal fixed tat mission.
I've never seen water in that river, so access is not something I've had to worry about.