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I only see this rag about once every five years; this morning I had breakfast in a café and it was the only paper they had. Good God! I’d forgotten just how unrelentingly nasty and dishonest it is.
Does anyone admit to having the slightest regard for this paper, or even actually buying it?
jcm
Does anyone admit to having the slightest regard for this paper, or even actually buying it?
jcm
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
ooh, surely an excuse to post this
youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI&
ooh, surely an excuse to post this
youtube.com/watch?v=5eBT6OSr1TI&
In reply to toad:
I'll see your newspaper ditty, and raise you this.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPDjvcmVrM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEIP...
I'll see your newspaper ditty, and raise you this.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EIPDjvcmVrM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEIP...
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Not sure I should admit this but my in-laws very occasionally bring it into the house. I feel slightly queasy even screwing it up to light the fires with it.
Not sure I should admit this but my in-laws very occasionally bring it into the house. I feel slightly queasy even screwing it up to light the fires with it.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
It is the only English national newspaper printed exclusively in Spain for the ex-pats, to which it makes great claim on ex-pat radio etc.
I have not bought a copy for over 10 years.
It is the only English national newspaper printed exclusively in Spain for the ex-pats, to which it makes great claim on ex-pat radio etc.
I have not bought a copy for over 10 years.
In reply to Al Evans:
Yeah, that figures. I can see it appealing to the Costa brigade.
>I have not bought a copy for over 10 years.
Good God. You bought one before that?!?!
jcm
Yeah, that figures. I can see it appealing to the Costa brigade.
>I have not bought a copy for over 10 years.
Good God. You bought one before that?!?!
jcm
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In reply to toad:
I'd never seen that. Wonderful. Thank you. :O)
Also, an excuse to post this:
http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130713/
I'd never seen that. Wonderful. Thank you. :O)
Also, an excuse to post this:
http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20130713/
In reply to dissonance:
Presumably being able to deal with a certain amount of cognitive dissonance is pretty much a prerequisite for being a Daily Mail reader...
Presumably being able to deal with a certain amount of cognitive dissonance is pretty much a prerequisite for being a Daily Mail reader...
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
No . There is no excuse for reading that publication .
I have delivered it every morning for the last 2 years ( teenage jobs eh !)
and it has never ceased to surprise me with its nastiness , deceit and constant disturbing voyeurism . Not to mention its peculiar hatred of foreigners
I just cannot understand what as journalist makes you want to write such grim rubbish : Why do they get out of bed in the morning ?
I'm also bemused that most of the people who I deliver it to in the morning are comfortable , middle class people who hold respectable jobs and drive nice cars .
A copy makes a good firelighter though.
No . There is no excuse for reading that publication .
I have delivered it every morning for the last 2 years ( teenage jobs eh !)
and it has never ceased to surprise me with its nastiness , deceit and constant disturbing voyeurism . Not to mention its peculiar hatred of foreigners
I just cannot understand what as journalist makes you want to write such grim rubbish : Why do they get out of bed in the morning ?
I'm also bemused that most of the people who I deliver it to in the morning are comfortable , middle class people who hold respectable jobs and drive nice cars .
A copy makes a good firelighter though.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
sort of topic...
Free, non state controlled press is obviously a good thing. In theory it allows news companies to tell us what is going on without it first being doctored or spun by those in power, and so we get an open, honest rendition of things we should know about.
In reality the majority of national newspapers (I refrain from saying all as that arguement could be lengthy on it's own) have their own agenda and interests at heart, fill the 'news' with so much propaganda and opinion, spin everything to make exciting sounding headlines rather than actually inform etc.
Sadly, and though I've seen a fair number on here vehemently insisting that no one takes some them seriously (thinking The Sun and the like here), way too many people are influenced greatly by what they read in the newspapers and not necessarily the more reliable ones (seriously, I've seen pubs full of people fully in belief of what The Sun has said that morning, it really does have an alarming influence!).
So would it be better, and even remotely plausible to have some form of control or penalty put on newspapers that are the worst offenders? Possibly the removal of their ability to refer to themselves as news sources and instead be classified as gossip maps or just plain drivel?
Or should we just rely on people's own critical thinking? (terrifying as well....)
hmm...rambly there. Musings and all that.
sort of topic...
Free, non state controlled press is obviously a good thing. In theory it allows news companies to tell us what is going on without it first being doctored or spun by those in power, and so we get an open, honest rendition of things we should know about.
In reality the majority of national newspapers (I refrain from saying all as that arguement could be lengthy on it's own) have their own agenda and interests at heart, fill the 'news' with so much propaganda and opinion, spin everything to make exciting sounding headlines rather than actually inform etc.
Sadly, and though I've seen a fair number on here vehemently insisting that no one takes some them seriously (thinking The Sun and the like here), way too many people are influenced greatly by what they read in the newspapers and not necessarily the more reliable ones (seriously, I've seen pubs full of people fully in belief of what The Sun has said that morning, it really does have an alarming influence!).
So would it be better, and even remotely plausible to have some form of control or penalty put on newspapers that are the worst offenders? Possibly the removal of their ability to refer to themselves as news sources and instead be classified as gossip maps or just plain drivel?
Or should we just rely on people's own critical thinking? (terrifying as well....)
hmm...rambly there. Musings and all that.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
We have it on a Saturday because my wife likes the TV guide. I put the paper straight in the log basket for firelighting - but my wife usually takes it out to read Fred Bassett (the dog cartoon).
The paper is appalling, I see the stories as I'm ripping it up for the fire. The TV guide is good for recipes and a bit of Monty Don.
I used to feel embarrassed when paying the paper bill in the village shop - but I suspect the volunteers who run the shop are mostly the closet racists/xenophobes who love the paper.
We have it on a Saturday because my wife likes the TV guide. I put the paper straight in the log basket for firelighting - but my wife usually takes it out to read Fred Bassett (the dog cartoon).
The paper is appalling, I see the stories as I'm ripping it up for the fire. The TV guide is good for recipes and a bit of Monty Don.
I used to feel embarrassed when paying the paper bill in the village shop - but I suspect the volunteers who run the shop are mostly the closet racists/xenophobes who love the paper.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
I read it online... its better online you get the comments section.. adds more.
Any article on a good looking woman is great, you get 'too fat' 'skinny' 'no tone' 'looks like a man'.. often on the same pics..
I read it online... its better online you get the comments section.. adds more.
Any article on a good looking woman is great, you get 'too fat' 'skinny' 'no tone' 'looks like a man'.. often on the same pics..
In reply to SethChili:
Like most folk: £££
That's *exactly* who it's aimed at.
jk
> I just cannot understand what as journalist makes you want to write such grim rubbish : Why do they get out of bed in the morning ?
Like most folk: £££
> I'm also bemused that most of the people who I deliver it to in the morning are comfortable , middle class people who hold respectable jobs and drive nice cars .
That's *exactly* who it's aimed at.
jk
In reply to IainRUK:
Most visited news website, they reckon.
There was briefly a website that in some internet shenanigans allowed you to view the daily mail website without it appearing in their stats as actual clicks/visits, and thus not making it any more attractive to advertisers...
But their lawyers shut it pretty quickly. It's all about the clickbait
Most visited news website, they reckon.
There was briefly a website that in some internet shenanigans allowed you to view the daily mail website without it appearing in their stats as actual clicks/visits, and thus not making it any more attractive to advertisers...
But their lawyers shut it pretty quickly. It's all about the clickbait
In reply to dissonance:
Probably not, that particular irony is probably lost on most expats
> Do they tone down the stories about immigration?
Probably not, that particular irony is probably lost on most expats
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Think we should all be buying it, it would be a travesty if it went out of circulation, look at all the comedy it brings to the world...
Think we should all be buying it, it would be a travesty if it went out of circulation, look at all the comedy it brings to the world...
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
The cryptic crossword is the only best bit.
I think everyone should look at all the major UK newspapers at least yearly, preferably with the Mail and Express read as a freebee in a pub or a cafe so they dont make any money for it. I have much more time for the tabloids as although they are mostly crap they are no more crap and dont claim to be special. All the broadsheets are Ok. On the far left (yes they still exist) the Morning Star seems OK to me ( dont agree with the politics but they are not barking) but Socialist Worker is back in full woof woof territory.
The cryptic crossword is the only best bit.
I think everyone should look at all the major UK newspapers at least yearly, preferably with the Mail and Express read as a freebee in a pub or a cafe so they dont make any money for it. I have much more time for the tabloids as although they are mostly crap they are no more crap and dont claim to be special. All the broadsheets are Ok. On the far left (yes they still exist) the Morning Star seems OK to me ( dont agree with the politics but they are not barking) but Socialist Worker is back in full woof woof territory.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Some classic links on this thread.
It seems to me like the proportion of UKC-ers with Mail-esque views is on the rise. Sad. We only need a couple to hurl rational argument at (and not get frustrated when none of it is understood); seems to me like there are hundreds to deal with at the mo.
Some classic links on this thread.
It seems to me like the proportion of UKC-ers with Mail-esque views is on the rise. Sad. We only need a couple to hurl rational argument at (and not get frustrated when none of it is understood); seems to me like there are hundreds to deal with at the mo.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
All UK newspapers are ridiculous and contemptible about something.
Only the Daily Mail is ridiculous and contemptible about everything.
All UK newspapers are ridiculous and contemptible about something.
Only the Daily Mail is ridiculous and contemptible about everything.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
In my corner shop there are usually 3 Guardians, about a dozen of each of the other broadsheets, a fair stack of red tops and literally piles and piles of Daily Mails... Christchurch, Dorset.
Anyway, slightly off track, but still in the theme... youtube.com/watch?v=spvvAdAN5bA&
In my corner shop there are usually 3 Guardians, about a dozen of each of the other broadsheets, a fair stack of red tops and literally piles and piles of Daily Mails... Christchurch, Dorset.
Anyway, slightly off track, but still in the theme... youtube.com/watch?v=spvvAdAN5bA&
In reply to johncoxmysteriously: I read it on-line every day, which is why I know shit that you cannot even dream about.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
I'm a glutton for online news. Mail, Independent, Guardian and I subscribe to the Times.
It is amazing how negative the Mail is about most issue, despite the online version reputed to be a bit more moderate, to try and attract a new, younger readership.
At the end of the day, it panders to it's main audience and their prejudices.
I'm a glutton for online news. Mail, Independent, Guardian and I subscribe to the Times.
It is amazing how negative the Mail is about most issue, despite the online version reputed to be a bit more moderate, to try and attract a new, younger readership.
At the end of the day, it panders to it's main audience and their prejudices.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
I think you should all think yourselves very fortunate that you are wise enough to be able to rise above the papers agenda and enjoy the long hard look down your noses at the throngs of middle England that buy it day in day out and pat yourselves on the back that you're better than them.
Where the fck do you lot get your gossip from anyway?
I think you should all think yourselves very fortunate that you are wise enough to be able to rise above the papers agenda and enjoy the long hard look down your noses at the throngs of middle England that buy it day in day out and pat yourselves on the back that you're better than them.
Where the fck do you lot get your gossip from anyway?
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Yes, I find the daily Mail consistently loathsome. However I do give them credit for naming the
Stephan lawrence gang as Murderers, and inviting them to sue if this was incorrect. fair play for that, at least.
Yes, I find the daily Mail consistently loathsome. However I do give them credit for naming the
Stephan lawrence gang as Murderers, and inviting them to sue if this was incorrect. fair play for that, at least.
In reply to Removed Userena sharples:
Not really. Crime is best dealt with through the criminal justice system, not through media-incited lynch mobs.
As for inviting members of the public to sue--I would think twice about suing any national newspaper that defamed me, even if I knew I was innocent. The Daily Mail can throw a lot more resources at defending a libel action than I can at prosecuting one. And if they lose the case they might look a bit silly for a couple of weeks, whereas if I lose the case I lose my house.
For a national newspaper to invite a member of the public to sue them is like a 15 year old playground bully inviting a 5 year old to have a square go.
Not really. Crime is best dealt with through the criminal justice system, not through media-incited lynch mobs.
As for inviting members of the public to sue--I would think twice about suing any national newspaper that defamed me, even if I knew I was innocent. The Daily Mail can throw a lot more resources at defending a libel action than I can at prosecuting one. And if they lose the case they might look a bit silly for a couple of weeks, whereas if I lose the case I lose my house.
For a national newspaper to invite a member of the public to sue them is like a 15 year old playground bully inviting a 5 year old to have a square go.
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In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
On my regular jaunts between Holland and Heathrow BA have it as their freebie for the plane. I usually take a copy just to make sure there is one less copy in circulation that might fall into the hands of someone who thinks it might be a newspaper.
I go straight to the scrabble-gram and crossword then the whole thing goes into the recycling the moment I get home.
On my regular jaunts between Holland and Heathrow BA have it as their freebie for the plane. I usually take a copy just to make sure there is one less copy in circulation that might fall into the hands of someone who thinks it might be a newspaper.
I go straight to the scrabble-gram and crossword then the whole thing goes into the recycling the moment I get home.
In reply to teflonpete:
How very dare you Peter!
I'm an ex-pat immigrant living here in France. I employ French people, pay French tax and put loads back into the local economy. You wouldn't find me signing on for benefits in a foreign country like all those immigrants back in the UK are currently doing................
E
> Probably not, that particular irony is probably lost on most expats
How very dare you Peter!
I'm an ex-pat immigrant living here in France. I employ French people, pay French tax and put loads back into the local economy. You wouldn't find me signing on for benefits in a foreign country like all those immigrants back in the UK are currently doing................
E
In reply to Enty:
Sorry E, should have qualified my little dig with "expats living in Spain". I know the French variety are shining beacons of European integration. ;0)
Sorry E, should have qualified my little dig with "expats living in Spain". I know the French variety are shining beacons of European integration. ;0)
In reply to Tim Chappell:
In general I agree with that but in the particular case of Lawrence murder I think it was the right think to do. Or at least it had very good consequences.
In general I agree with that but in the particular case of Lawrence murder I think it was the right think to do. Or at least it had very good consequences.
In reply to teflonpete:
I love the muliticulturalism in Spain. When I'm on holiday where my mum lives I can get a full English for 2:50€, Roast Beef dinner on a Sunday afternoon for 4:50 and a pint of Stella for 1:50€.
The locals should think themselves lucky having all that right on their doorstep.
E
I love the muliticulturalism in Spain. When I'm on holiday where my mum lives I can get a full English for 2:50€, Roast Beef dinner on a Sunday afternoon for 4:50 and a pint of Stella for 1:50€.
The locals should think themselves lucky having all that right on their doorstep.
E
In reply to IainRUK:
ah the sidebar of shame.
I have to admit I do want to move to the place where some of those commentators live. Absolutely stunning women and you have people going "pah average".
> Any article on a good looking woman is great, you get 'too fat' 'skinny' 'no tone' 'looks like a man'.. often on the same pics..
ah the sidebar of shame.
I have to admit I do want to move to the place where some of those commentators live. Absolutely stunning women and you have people going "pah average".
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Take the point about suing national newspapers, but I don't recall them calling for a torchlight parade to drive them out of town?
Take the point about suing national newspapers, but I don't recall them calling for a torchlight parade to drive them out of town?
In reply to Enty:
:0)
Well the locals wouldn't want to be eating none of that foreign muck like tapas and paella, would they?
:0)
Well the locals wouldn't want to be eating none of that foreign muck like tapas and paella, would they?
In reply to imkevinmc:
Its not really more moderate so much as being more celebrity focussed. taking on heat etc and winning quite easily I think.
> It is amazing how negative the Mail is about most issue, despite the online version reputed to be a bit more moderate, to try and attract a new, younger readership.
Its not really more moderate so much as being more celebrity focussed. taking on heat etc and winning quite easily I think.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Try this:
http://games.usvsth3m.com/are-you-hated-by-the-daily-mail/
I am hated and proud!
Try this:
http://games.usvsth3m.com/are-you-hated-by-the-daily-mail/
I am hated and proud!
In reply to Tim Chappell:
And who is going to guard the f*cking guards?
> Not really. Crime is best dealt with through the criminal justice system, not through media-incited lynch mobs.
And who is going to guard the f*cking guards?
In reply to cuthill76:
A Daily Mirror website, as it happens. Interesting as it had a bit of a stealth launch, but was set up in part as a response to the success of the less "news" bits of the Daily Mail website!
A Daily Mirror website, as it happens. Interesting as it had a bit of a stealth launch, but was set up in part as a response to the success of the less "news" bits of the Daily Mail website!
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
I read the online version, avoiding the celebrity crap. I quite like it, even though I don't often agree with their points of view. Life would be pretty bland if I only read news and opinion that I agreed with. It's not the only online news source I read in any case. For example, the
Mail and the Guardian both have good Android apps and I have both.
As mentioned above, the comments are good for a laugh. Who knew that ukip could be the solution to absolutely every problem imaginable?
To say that the Mail is some form of poison, that you'll be transformed into some bitter angry racist were you to read a copy from cover to cover, is to insult one's individuality and ability to think for oneself.
I read the online version, avoiding the celebrity crap. I quite like it, even though I don't often agree with their points of view. Life would be pretty bland if I only read news and opinion that I agreed with. It's not the only online news source I read in any case. For example, the
Mail and the Guardian both have good Android apps and I have both.
As mentioned above, the comments are good for a laugh. Who knew that ukip could be the solution to absolutely every problem imaginable?
To say that the Mail is some form of poison, that you'll be transformed into some bitter angry racist were you to read a copy from cover to cover, is to insult one's individuality and ability to think for oneself.
In reply to knthrak1982:
Poison or not the problem lies with the fact that a lot of their stories are made up and the other half are totally incorrect or give the opposite impression to what has actually happened. If this is your news source how can you do any thinking about anything outside your field when you cannot rely on the source of your information?
Toby
Poison or not the problem lies with the fact that a lot of their stories are made up and the other half are totally incorrect or give the opposite impression to what has actually happened. If this is your news source how can you do any thinking about anything outside your field when you cannot rely on the source of your information?
Toby
In reply to Toby_W:
I agree. The more sources of news and information the better. Sources I like, sources I dislike, sources I agree with, sources I disagree with. The Mail fits in here one way or the other.
I find it amazing just how many people who've never touched the thing have such a prophetic knowledge of its contents.
> If this is your news source how can you do any thinking about anything outside your field when you cannot rely on the source of your information?
I agree. The more sources of news and information the better. Sources I like, sources I dislike, sources I agree with, sources I disagree with. The Mail fits in here one way or the other.
I find it amazing just how many people who've never touched the thing have such a prophetic knowledge of its contents.
In reply to knthrak1982:
Actually, it seems to have done a pretty good job of that on my Dad. He was always a bit conservative, but in his last few years the Mail made him Angry, but scared as well. And it's the fear that I can't forgive.
> (In reply to johncoxmysteriously)
>
> To say that the Mail is some form of poison, that you'll be transformed into some bitter angry racist were you to read a copy from cover to cover, is to insult one's individuality and ability to think for oneself.
> To say that the Mail is some form of poison, that you'll be transformed into some bitter angry racist were you to read a copy from cover to cover, is to insult one's individuality and ability to think for oneself.
Actually, it seems to have done a pretty good job of that on my Dad. He was always a bit conservative, but in his last few years the Mail made him Angry, but scared as well. And it's the fear that I can't forgive.
In reply to knthrak1982:
There's no danger of the Mail influencing my opinions. It's not that I think it will. It's just that, whenever I scan what it's saying on a news-stand or in a deserted railway carriage, I find it to be full of obnoxious, bilious, small-minded, mendacious, bigoted, scare-mongering tripe that I simply don't want to hear.
I don't sit down next to frothing, swivel-eyed loons on the 'bus and say "Come on, Mr Loon, I want to know what you think about EVERYTHING!". For exactly the same reasons, I don't read the Daily Mail.
> To say that the Mail is some form of poison, that you'll be transformed into some bitter angry racist were you to read a copy from cover to cover, is to insult one's individuality and ability to think for oneself.
There's no danger of the Mail influencing my opinions. It's not that I think it will. It's just that, whenever I scan what it's saying on a news-stand or in a deserted railway carriage, I find it to be full of obnoxious, bilious, small-minded, mendacious, bigoted, scare-mongering tripe that I simply don't want to hear.
I don't sit down next to frothing, swivel-eyed loons on the 'bus and say "Come on, Mr Loon, I want to know what you think about EVERYTHING!". For exactly the same reasons, I don't read the Daily Mail.
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In reply to Tim Chappell:
ah.
> (In reply to knthrak1982)
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> I don't sit down next to frothing, swivel-eyed loons on the 'bus and say "Come on, Mr Loon, I want to hear what you think about EVERYTHING!". For exactly the same reasons, I don't read the Daily Mail or post on UKC.
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> I don't sit down next to frothing, swivel-eyed loons on the 'bus and say "Come on, Mr Loon, I want to hear what you think about EVERYTHING!". For exactly the same reasons, I don't read the Daily Mail or post on UKC.
ah.
In reply to toad:
You can't forgive the Mail for making your Dad scared? Because there's nothing in any other papers to get scared about?
You can't forgive the Mail for making your Dad scared? Because there's nothing in any other papers to get scared about?
In reply to knthrak1982:
I half agree. More sources are better but you need to choose your sources carefully.
Mmmm I worked with a medical doctor & physicist a while back doing some research on 2G mobile phones and their effects. The mail ran 5 pages on this, front page MOBILE PHONES DAMAGE YOUR BRAIN. Page after page of the dire effects. Finally the last sentence, and Dr X has found nothing to confirm any of this.
Engineering, science, medical and even simple news stories that you have knowledge of are incorrect or mis-represented and if this is all wrong then one must assume everything else they print is of a similar qualtiy.
Finally they make stuff up, who would base anything on a source that does that?
Cheers
Toby
I half agree. More sources are better but you need to choose your sources carefully.
Mmmm I worked with a medical doctor & physicist a while back doing some research on 2G mobile phones and their effects. The mail ran 5 pages on this, front page MOBILE PHONES DAMAGE YOUR BRAIN. Page after page of the dire effects. Finally the last sentence, and Dr X has found nothing to confirm any of this.
Engineering, science, medical and even simple news stories that you have knowledge of are incorrect or mis-represented and if this is all wrong then one must assume everything else they print is of a similar qualtiy.
Finally they make stuff up, who would base anything on a source that does that?
Cheers
Toby
In reply to Bjartur i Sumarhus:
Don't want to disect in detail, but he used to read the Telegraph until his eyesight started going (and in fairness probably concentration). There was a change.
Don't want to disect in detail, but he used to read the Telegraph until his eyesight started going (and in fairness probably concentration). There was a change.
In reply to Toby_W:
I pay £45 a month for FT, £10 a month for Telegraph, and Guardian/Mail/Independent/BBC/Zero Hedge/Daily Mash surf for free.
My favourite bits are (Telegraph) Cryptic crossword,(FT) Lex, (Guardian) Football (and comments), (Daily Mash) psychic Bob horoscope, (Daily Mail) any random vadge/nip on show getting out of taxi, (ZH) tin foil hat conspiracies.
Embrace it all I say
I pay £45 a month for FT, £10 a month for Telegraph, and Guardian/Mail/Independent/BBC/Zero Hedge/Daily Mash surf for free.
My favourite bits are (Telegraph) Cryptic crossword,(FT) Lex, (Guardian) Football (and comments), (Daily Mash) psychic Bob horoscope, (Daily Mail) any random vadge/nip on show getting out of taxi, (ZH) tin foil hat conspiracies.
Embrace it all I say
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Bah humbug! These stories alone are worth the admission fee.....creative genius.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548013/999-dog-poo-Council-jobswor...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548002/Fury-Muslim-guests-Commons-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2547585/Could-YOU-live-without-to...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547823/The-woman-threw-pet-cat-gay...
Bah humbug! These stories alone are worth the admission fee.....creative genius.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548013/999-dog-poo-Council-jobswor...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548002/Fury-Muslim-guests-Commons-...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2547585/Could-YOU-live-without-to...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2547823/The-woman-threw-pet-cat-gay...
Post edited at 16:14
> To say that the Mail is some form of poison, that you'll be transformed into some bitter angry racist were you to read a copy from cover to cover, is to insult one's individuality and ability to think for oneself.
I'm not sure about that . We are shaped by the opinions and information we ingest . Whilst individuality has a part to play we are surprisingly vulnerable to being drip fed misinformation . For example , a friend on facebook has been posting a huge number of UKIP/Anti Europe comments and I have found myself slipping into a thinking pattern which contradicts my usual viewpoint which I know to be logical .
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Apart from justice for Stephen Lawrence and a few other things it got a bee in it's bonnet.
Generally though it is horrific, I get requested to buy it for my father once in a while and give it a quick peruse. Website is better though as you get a better idea of the inside thought processes of some the mongs who read it. We need more political education in schools and it's hardly surprising we are in the state we are in and have the politics we have in this country with newspapers like this informing and manipulating the population.
D
> All UK newspapers are ridiculous and contemptible about something.
> Only the Daily Mail is ridiculous and contemptible about everything.
Apart from justice for Stephen Lawrence and a few other things it got a bee in it's bonnet.
Generally though it is horrific, I get requested to buy it for my father once in a while and give it a quick peruse. Website is better though as you get a better idea of the inside thought processes of some the mongs who read it. We need more political education in schools and it's hardly surprising we are in the state we are in and have the politics we have in this country with newspapers like this informing and manipulating the population.
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In reply to Postmanpat:
Anything the Mail does in that respect the Mash does better and its always nicer to laugh with someone than at someone.
Anything the Mail does in that respect the Mash does better and its always nicer to laugh with someone than at someone.
In reply to Offwidth:
I'm just discovering that 5 Live Drive seems to be based almost entirely based on the DM website. They're doing the lesbian Chinese woman's letter now. Must have undercover researchers to spot the stories. Mandatory dismissal for being seen with the DM at the Beeb I hear
> Anything the Mail does in that respect the Mash does better and its always nicer to laugh with someone than at someone.
I'm just discovering that 5 Live Drive seems to be based almost entirely based on the DM website. They're doing the lesbian Chinese woman's letter now. Must have undercover researchers to spot the stories. Mandatory dismissal for being seen with the DM at the Beeb I hear
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
No John, I was meaning ever, 10 years was just an approximation of how long I have been here. The problem is the ex-pat freebees and The Costa Blanca News are almost as right wing.
> Yeah, that figures. I can see it appealing to the Costa brigade.
> >I have not bought a copy for over 10 years.
> Good God. You bought one before that?!?!
> jcm
No John, I was meaning ever, 10 years was just an approximation of how long I have been here. The problem is the ex-pat freebees and The Costa Blanca News are almost as right wing.
In reply to Postmanpat:
Unless you work for Radio 2.
> Mandatory dismissal for being seen with the DM at the Beeb I hear
Unless you work for Radio 2.
In reply to knthrak1982:
I wasn't aware that a large proportion of the population had either.
> one's individuality and ability to think for oneself.
I wasn't aware that a large proportion of the population had either.
In reply to Postmanpat:
Have they never heard of bidets?
Personally, I'd have said that running a story on the subject of toilet paper in the Daily Mail was tempting fate.
Have they never heard of bidets?
Personally, I'd have said that running a story on the subject of toilet paper in the Daily Mail was tempting fate.
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In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Yep, my FIL ( retired) buys one reads it at my house whilst I am at work, and leaves it for me to read later.
He reads it, quotes it and really honestly believes it.
I read it and have a good laugh
( if I feel like being annoying, I will take the time to check out one of the stories he is quoting, and can usually debunk it in about 5 mins)
I have no problem reading a range of newspapers that are not aligned with my own views.
> Does anyone admit to having the slightest regard for this paper, or even actually buying it?
Yep, my FIL ( retired) buys one reads it at my house whilst I am at work, and leaves it for me to read later.
He reads it, quotes it and really honestly believes it.
I read it and have a good laugh
( if I feel like being annoying, I will take the time to check out one of the stories he is quoting, and can usually debunk it in about 5 mins)
I have no problem reading a range of newspapers that are not aligned with my own views.
In reply to Bjartur i Sumarhus:
we get the Guardian on Saturday and the Observer on Sunday, I think both papers are pretty shite when it comes to the sport section, therefore I also get the Times just fortheir brilliant sports coverage.
we get the Guardian on Saturday and the Observer on Sunday, I think both papers are pretty shite when it comes to the sport section, therefore I also get the Times just fortheir brilliant sports coverage.
In reply to Tony the Blade:
My old mate, and I mean old, Harry Collet, when I worked as a youth at SMRE, he was a member of the communist party and was on the Kinder mass trespasses he used to take the Daily Mail every day into work just to sit and do the crossword at lunchtime, he was aware of it's failings but just used the bits of it that interested him. He bought The Daily Mail every day and was the finest man and one of the finest socialist I've ever met.
My old mate, and I mean old, Harry Collet, when I worked as a youth at SMRE, he was a member of the communist party and was on the Kinder mass trespasses he used to take the Daily Mail every day into work just to sit and do the crossword at lunchtime, he was aware of it's failings but just used the bits of it that interested him. He bought The Daily Mail every day and was the finest man and one of the finest socialist I've ever met.
In reply to Tony the Blade:
The Daily Telegraph has always had the best sport section, it even used to publish the results of fell races
The Daily Telegraph has always had the best sport section, it even used to publish the results of fell races
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
I'm a left winger. I occasionally buy the Mail if the headlines look interesting. I also sometimes buy the mirror but it's too left wing and depressing. I like interesting papers not just propaganda blather. The independent and I are my favourites but the Times has good articles too. Express used to be good on Fridays, but I got sick of the impending doom weather forecasts. It's always front page and mainly wrong.
I'm a left winger. I occasionally buy the Mail if the headlines look interesting. I also sometimes buy the mirror but it's too left wing and depressing. I like interesting papers not just propaganda blather. The independent and I are my favourites but the Times has good articles too. Express used to be good on Fridays, but I got sick of the impending doom weather forecasts. It's always front page and mainly wrong.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
"Oh noes, a newspaper which doesn't cater to my delicate left wing guilt ridden middle class Grauniad reading prejudices, what ever should I do. I think I'll have to go cry on teh interwebs about it...."
"Oh noes, a newspaper which doesn't cater to my delicate left wing guilt ridden middle class Grauniad reading prejudices, what ever should I do. I think I'll have to go cry on teh interwebs about it...."
In reply to stroppygob:
Bravo! Withering.
Are you trying to tell us that you, for your part, like The Daily Mail?
Bravo! Withering.
Are you trying to tell us that you, for your part, like The Daily Mail?
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Poor effort really. I am waiting for Simon4 to turn up and do a proper rant about the BBC.
> Bravo! Withering.
Poor effort really. I am waiting for Simon4 to turn up and do a proper rant about the BBC.
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Can't stand the awful bloody rag. Times, Telegraph and Guardian for me. (online versions natch.)
The worst thing about it is the amount of ammo it gives the left-wing guilt-ridden middle-class Grauniad reading wet-nelly brigade to bare their delicate souls here , and weep, weep I tell you that such a paper could exist.
Can't stand the awful bloody rag. Times, Telegraph and Guardian for me. (online versions natch.)
The worst thing about it is the amount of ammo it gives the left-wing guilt-ridden middle-class Grauniad reading wet-nelly brigade to bare their delicate souls here , and weep, weep I tell you that such a paper could exist.
In reply to stroppygob:
Who are you quoting?
> "Oh noes, a newspaper which doesn't cater to my delicate left wing guilt ridden middle class Grauniad reading prejudices, what ever should I do. I think I'll have to go cry on teh interwebs about it...."
Who are you quoting?
In reply to stroppygob:
Natch. But why pay for The Times? I've always thought it's the most boring of all the broadsheets.
Not a political judgement: I love the Telegraph, it's so bonkers it's extraordinary, whereas I (like you apparently) find the Guardian a bit smug and priggish.
I mainly read papers on trains when I can't be bothered to work, and don't have the option of wasting time on here. Or I browse the online versions of the broadsheets. But I can't imagine feeling motivated to get past the Times' firewall.
Natch. But why pay for The Times? I've always thought it's the most boring of all the broadsheets.
Not a political judgement: I love the Telegraph, it's so bonkers it's extraordinary, whereas I (like you apparently) find the Guardian a bit smug and priggish.
I mainly read papers on trains when I can't be bothered to work, and don't have the option of wasting time on here. Or I browse the online versions of the broadsheets. But I can't imagine feeling motivated to get past the Times' firewall.
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Habit. I took the times regularly when I lived in Blighty.
> Natch. But why pay for The Times? I've always thought it's the most boring of all the broadsheets.
Habit. I took the times regularly when I lived in Blighty.
In reply to stroppygob:
Yes, on that basis, I discounted that possibility.
> Ever heard of p-a-r-o-d-y?
Yes, on that basis, I discounted that possibility.
In reply to The New NickB:
Really? Is that why Steph Flanders has moved to JPMorgan..? Doesn't Nick read the mail?
> Unless you work for Radio 2.
Really? Is that why Steph Flanders has moved to JPMorgan..? Doesn't Nick read the mail?
In reply to The New NickB:
Did you swap your sense of humour for a Grauniad subscription?
Lighten up man.
Did you swap your sense of humour for a Grauniad subscription?
Lighten up man.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
BTW the main reason the Mail is so popular is that there is no opposition/alternative.
BTW the main reason the Mail is so popular is that there is no opposition/alternative.
In reply to The New NickB:
Oh I don't know.. ..increasing tabloid tendencies of BBC 1 news.. ..Steph Flanders sits in the right demographic and when giving an opinion it tended to veer right.. She's now gone to work at JPmorgan. BBC nick seems more backward in coming forward with his own colours, but they also seem pretty righty. Perhaps not wacky enough, but Nick seems something of a fantasist too.
Oh I don't know.. ..increasing tabloid tendencies of BBC 1 news.. ..Steph Flanders sits in the right demographic and when giving an opinion it tended to veer right.. She's now gone to work at JPmorgan. BBC nick seems more backward in coming forward with his own colours, but they also seem pretty righty. Perhaps not wacky enough, but Nick seems something of a fantasist too.
In reply to Bjartur i Sumarhus:
I read the coffee table paper copy of the Times and Telegraph throughout the week, as well as the guardian online. The daily mash is also good for a laugh as is an occasional private eye. Only paper I regularly buy is the Sat Guardian.. ..like the review section, main section, wife likes the family section, but usually read it all by the end of the next week.
I read the coffee table paper copy of the Times and Telegraph throughout the week, as well as the guardian online. The daily mash is also good for a laugh as is an occasional private eye. Only paper I regularly buy is the Sat Guardian.. ..like the review section, main section, wife likes the family section, but usually read it all by the end of the next week.
In reply to contrariousjim:
I am struggling to follow your post, which Nick are you talking about, me, postmanpat or maybe Nick Robinson, although I would put money on the later two being Telegraph men. I am not really sure what any of that has to do with my suggestion that Radio 2 is all a bit Daily Mail. Might make more sense if directed at PMP, but it is still a little left field.
I am struggling to follow your post, which Nick are you talking about, me, postmanpat or maybe Nick Robinson, although I would put money on the later two being Telegraph men. I am not really sure what any of that has to do with my suggestion that Radio 2 is all a bit Daily Mail. Might make more sense if directed at PMP, but it is still a little left field.
In reply to The New NickB:
Nick Robinson, and yes thought it was you making the comment about the daily mail being cause for dismissal. Didn't see the > on the small iPhone screen. Sorry about that!
Nick Robinson, and yes thought it was you making the comment about the daily mail being cause for dismissal. Didn't see the > on the small iPhone screen. Sorry about that!
In reply to Postmanpat:
More pmp BBC propaganda ? they read the headlines early most mornings without gloves or gas marks and journalism is a hard nosed career so people swap sides all the time. Just read something the other day from someone who moved from the observer to mail unless it was a dream....will check.
More pmp BBC propaganda ? they read the headlines early most mornings without gloves or gas marks and journalism is a hard nosed career so people swap sides all the time. Just read something the other day from someone who moved from the observer to mail unless it was a dream....will check.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Mr Marsbar and I will occasionally play "Daily Mail Bingo" with a cafe copy.
Points may be awarded in such categories as "Immigrants bad", "x cures cancer/ causes cancer", "Social workers steal baby for no reason at all" etc etc.
Mr Marsbar and I will occasionally play "Daily Mail Bingo" with a cafe copy.
Points may be awarded in such categories as "Immigrants bad", "x cures cancer/ causes cancer", "Social workers steal baby for no reason at all" etc etc.
In reply to contrariousjim:
I kept my subscription to Private Eye running when I moved to Aus, still have it delivered, abet a week late.
> (In reply to Bjartur i Sumarhus)
> The daily mash is also good for a laugh as is an occasional private eye.
> The daily mash is also good for a laugh as is an occasional private eye.
I kept my subscription to Private Eye running when I moved to Aus, still have it delivered, abet a week late.
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
Its been posted many times before, but in case anyone missed it...
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
Its been posted many times before, but in case anyone missed it...
http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/
In reply to johncoxmysteriously:
The daily mail isn't too bad. Yes they have some scare stories, but hey, it's the first or 2nd most circulated news paper in Britain. I'd rather read the mail then the Bias left wing Guardian - almost socialistic.
The daily mail isn't too bad. Yes they have some scare stories, but hey, it's the first or 2nd most circulated news paper in Britain. I'd rather read the mail then the Bias left wing Guardian - almost socialistic.
In reply to The New NickB:
Why the new incarnation. Did he get banned? It must be great that UKC is so unrepresentative of the reading habits of the nations population, so much space to angrily protelyse and rebalance the scales.
Why the new incarnation. Did he get banned? It must be great that UKC is so unrepresentative of the reading habits of the nations population, so much space to angrily protelyse and rebalance the scales.
In reply to marsbar:
I missed that. Holy crap, just as I was wondering if the DM was really as bad as everyone makes out, proof pops up that shows it's even worse than I imagined.
I can just see Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells tutting to himself as he looks at that. Then checking again to see if it's as disgusting as he thought, then checking again... I can see why they buy it now, it's titillation behind a respectable facade.
I missed that. Holy crap, just as I was wondering if the DM was really as bad as everyone makes out, proof pops up that shows it's even worse than I imagined.
I can just see Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells tutting to himself as he looks at that. Then checking again to see if it's as disgusting as he thought, then checking again... I can see why they buy it now, it's titillation behind a respectable facade.
In reply to toad:
Anything that disagrees with the Mail (unless the it's too right wing for that rag) is a good bet. A good example from the other side is that I've seen Socialist Worker readers accuse communists of being right wing. A detachment from reality, evidence and logic does seem unproblematic in the worst of the shouty papers' readership.
Anything that disagrees with the Mail (unless the it's too right wing for that rag) is a good bet. A good example from the other side is that I've seen Socialist Worker readers accuse communists of being right wing. A detachment from reality, evidence and logic does seem unproblematic in the worst of the shouty papers' readership.
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In reply to Offwidth:
my mother-i-l (lifelong NUT, in answer to a conversation about unions and militancy from last week I think ) used to regularly buy Socialist Worker as the people selling it were "nice young boys". She's always had something of a problem with reality, and has drifted right with age, but I've yet to see the DM make an appearance. Won't have any of the Murdoch papers in the house on principle, which is a problem as I've gone right off the Observer and tend to buy the Sunday Times.
my mother-i-l (lifelong NUT, in answer to a conversation about unions and militancy from last week I think ) used to regularly buy Socialist Worker as the people selling it were "nice young boys". She's always had something of a problem with reality, and has drifted right with age, but I've yet to see the DM make an appearance. Won't have any of the Murdoch papers in the house on principle, which is a problem as I've gone right off the Observer and tend to buy the Sunday Times.
In reply to toad:
I also try to avoid giving money to Murdoch companies but that doesnt stop me recognising TST is still excellent value for money (arguably too good....subsided to assist its market share?).
I also try to avoid giving money to Murdoch companies but that doesnt stop me recognising TST is still excellent value for money (arguably too good....subsided to assist its market share?).
In reply to Offwidth:
Does the Earth move for you when you read The Sunday Times?
> (....subsided to assist its market share?).
Does the Earth move for you when you read The Sunday Times?
In reply to Blue Straggler:
Yes its amazing the earth, it moves all the time whatever I do. I should add my spelling is as shocking as a minor earth tremor at times and noticeably worse now I use a tablet a lot.
Yes its amazing the earth, it moves all the time whatever I do. I should add my spelling is as shocking as a minor earth tremor at times and noticeably worse now I use a tablet a lot.
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