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At last its started
Good start by Italy so far, except for the stupid defensive fumble that gave away the early try for Wales
Good start by Italy so far, except for the stupid defensive fumble that gave away the early try for Wales
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Poor lad....it's his debut too! Close game but wales need to be a bit more creative! Ref killing every scrum and slowing the whole game down...
> At last its started
> Good start by Italy so far, except for the stupid defensive fumble that gave away the early try for Wales
Poor lad....it's his debut too! Close game but wales need to be a bit more creative! Ref killing every scrum and slowing the whole game down...
In reply to Oceanrower:
The old italian soft tackles nave started creeping in, but matching wales quite well. Forward pass for their try, but probably makes up for the ref stopping Sergio for the knock on given against them(that came off red) and they were odds on for a try
The old italian soft tackles nave started creeping in, but matching wales quite well. Forward pass for their try, but probably makes up for the ref stopping Sergio for the knock on given against them(that came off red) and they were odds on for a try
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Good opener, if not the most clinical of matches, probably a fair score line 23-15.
Good reaction from the crowd when italian 13 got man of the match.
Now for an afternoon in Paris... I wonder which france we'll meet
Good opener, if not the most clinical of matches, probably a fair score line 23-15.
Good reaction from the crowd when italian 13 got man of the match.
Now for an afternoon in Paris... I wonder which france we'll meet
In reply to balmybaldwin:
The "cheese eating, surrender monkeys" one.
I hope.
> I wonder which france we'll meet
The "cheese eating, surrender monkeys" one.
I hope.
In reply to Oceanrower:
Well theyve dropped their annoying little scrum half.
That didnt start well did it
Well theyve dropped their annoying little scrum half.
That didnt start well did it
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Guscott predicted England by 10 points at the start which was a dangerous/disrespectful thing to do.
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Guscott predicted England by 10 points at the start which was a dangerous/disrespectful thing to do.
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In reply to stewieatb:
Better than they deserve.
Brian moore appears to be going senile. When the ref puts his arm in the air, Brian, it means he's given the try...
Better than they deserve.
Brian moore appears to be going senile. When the ref puts his arm in the air, Brian, it means he's given the try...
In reply to balmybaldwin:
France appear to have turned up. Definitely less scrappy than England unfortunately.
France appear to have turned up. Definitely less scrappy than England unfortunately.
In reply to Oceanrower: extraordinary "confidence" from Guscott and Woodward. You'd think England were stuffing them.
In reply to coinneach:
Just so you know.
I've just been shouting racist things at the telly about Nigel bloody Owens too!
Just so you know.
I've just been shouting racist things at the telly about Nigel bloody Owens too!
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Nyanga Kabasele was on impressive form!
Kicked/Passed/Ran: 1/7/4
Metres made: 49
Clean breaks: 2
Defenders beaten: 7
Offloads: 1
Turnovers won: 3
Tackles made/missed: 10/1
Line outs won/lost: 4/0
Penalties conceded: 1
No one came close stats wise on the England team, but you can understand why they gave the MoM to Huget for his two tries. So far whats made me happiest in the first two matches is that Italy look sharp, and if they can put in a performance like that away from home, could cause alot of trouble.. ..I hope they do!
Nyanga Kabasele was on impressive form!
Kicked/Passed/Ran: 1/7/4
Metres made: 49
Clean breaks: 2
Defenders beaten: 7
Offloads: 1
Turnovers won: 3
Tackles made/missed: 10/1
Line outs won/lost: 4/0
Penalties conceded: 1
No one came close stats wise on the England team, but you can understand why they gave the MoM to Huget for his two tries. So far whats made me happiest in the first two matches is that Italy look sharp, and if they can put in a performance like that away from home, could cause alot of trouble.. ..I hope they do!
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Great start to the 6 nations. Fickou's try comes a close second for most pleasurable moment of the day to Thomas Castaignede's glee while Jeremy Gusset's face looked like he was trying to chew a lemon and smell a fart at the same time.
Great start to the 6 nations. Fickou's try comes a close second for most pleasurable moment of the day to Thomas Castaignede's glee while Jeremy Gusset's face looked like he was trying to chew a lemon and smell a fart at the same time.
In reply to Skol:
Two very entertaining games, hope the Irish and scots can maintain the momentum.....
Two very entertaining games, hope the Irish and scots can maintain the momentum.....
In reply to Dr.S at work:
Unlikely.
> Two very entertaining games, hope the Irish and scots can maintain the momentum.....
Unlikely.
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Gutted that final try was from a ball that was out. Would have been spectacular otherwise.
Gutted that final try was from a ball that was out. Would have been spectacular otherwise.
In reply to Oceanrower:
Agreed. Italy did look good. Doesn't bode well for the northern contingent. I could only stomach the first half of the irish match before i opted to walk the dog.
Agreed. Italy did look good. Doesn't bode well for the northern contingent. I could only stomach the first half of the irish match before i opted to walk the dog.
In reply to balmybaldwin:
England to beat Scotland.
France to beat Italy.
Wales to beat Ireland (possibly)
England to beat Scotland.
France to beat Italy.
Wales to beat Ireland (possibly)
In reply to Shani:
I think the Wales Ireland match will be the match of the weekend. Should be a good battle.
I think the Wales Ireland match will be the match of the weekend. Should be a good battle.
In reply to crayefish:
Totally agree. Most Irish I know consider this to be 'The Big One'. It's my second favourite 6N match after Le Crunch. Third favourite is the annual spoon-off between Scotland and Italy....
....heck, the 6N offers loads of good rugby!
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> I think the Wales Ireland match will be the match of the weekend. Should be a good battle.
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> I think the Wales Ireland match will be the match of the weekend. Should be a good battle.
Totally agree. Most Irish I know consider this to be 'The Big One'. It's my second favourite 6N match after Le Crunch. Third favourite is the annual spoon-off between Scotland and Italy....
....heck, the 6N offers loads of good rugby!
In reply to Shani:
Us Welshies consider it the second... nothing is better than beating the English!
Last week was great for us too As they say in Wales... we have two teams; our own and anyone playing England. lol
I just hope Wales play better this weekend as last week we were pretty uninspired (unlike the Irish).
Us Welshies consider it the second... nothing is better than beating the English!
Last week was great for us too As they say in Wales... we have two teams; our own and anyone playing England. lol
I just hope Wales play better this weekend as last week we were pretty uninspired (unlike the Irish).
In reply to crayefish:
Yeah - old rivalries run deep! I think that the margins in the Wales vs Ireland game are often quite tight and you chuck in the politics/Lions and you have a VERY spicy game. I'm really looking forward to it.
Crushing Scotland will be icing on the cake.
> (In reply to Shani)
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> Us Welshies consider it the second... nothing is better than beating the English!
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> Last week was great for us too As they say in Wales... we have two teams; our own and anyone playing England. lol
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> I just hope Wales play better this weekend as last week we were pretty uninspired (unlike the Irish).
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> Us Welshies consider it the second... nothing is better than beating the English!
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> Last week was great for us too As they say in Wales... we have two teams; our own and anyone playing England. lol
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> I just hope Wales play better this weekend as last week we were pretty uninspired (unlike the Irish).
Yeah - old rivalries run deep! I think that the margins in the Wales vs Ireland game are often quite tight and you chuck in the politics/Lions and you have a VERY spicy game. I'm really looking forward to it.
Crushing Scotland will be icing on the cake.
In reply to Shani:
I have to support Scotland as the missus is Scottish... but they're playing England so in this case it works out
I have to support Scotland as the missus is Scottish... but they're playing England so in this case it works out
In reply to Shani:
This weekend one needs to factor in the the howling gale and p*ssing rain that will likely prevail for at least the Saturday games. I suspect it will be ugly rugby.
One would have thought the Irish are more familiar with the crap conditions than the Welsh who play in air conditioned shoe box in Cardiff. However, Warrenball involves plenty of hoofing it down the park with a load of big blokes chasing it so who knows. I suspect the Irish dislike Wazza even more than anyone else; dislike seems a strong motivator for them. So that and home advantage to just about prevail. Cue Wazza post match interview featuring a vocabulary not including the words "loss", "lost" or "losers".
If Scotland have any sense (not something they are often accused of) they will get the ball stick it in the heavens out wide, rattle the English back 3 (assuming they haven't gone all narrow) and hope for few French bounces in the ensuing chaos. Repeat ad nauseam for 80 minutes'. This assumes the players don't drown in mud or get strangled by the worms inhabiting the compost heap that is now Murrayfield. Home team to sneak it by 2 or 3, cue more Rimmer "positives" and associated bull in the press conference.
Italy to give it a lash in Paris but to no avail.
This weekend one needs to factor in the the howling gale and p*ssing rain that will likely prevail for at least the Saturday games. I suspect it will be ugly rugby.
One would have thought the Irish are more familiar with the crap conditions than the Welsh who play in air conditioned shoe box in Cardiff. However, Warrenball involves plenty of hoofing it down the park with a load of big blokes chasing it so who knows. I suspect the Irish dislike Wazza even more than anyone else; dislike seems a strong motivator for them. So that and home advantage to just about prevail. Cue Wazza post match interview featuring a vocabulary not including the words "loss", "lost" or "losers".
If Scotland have any sense (not something they are often accused of) they will get the ball stick it in the heavens out wide, rattle the English back 3 (assuming they haven't gone all narrow) and hope for few French bounces in the ensuing chaos. Repeat ad nauseam for 80 minutes'. This assumes the players don't drown in mud or get strangled by the worms inhabiting the compost heap that is now Murrayfield. Home team to sneak it by 2 or 3, cue more Rimmer "positives" and associated bull in the press conference.
Italy to give it a lash in Paris but to no avail.
In reply to crayefish:
Looking forward to that one, always the best win of the 6N for England if it happens, or the crushing disappointment and weeks of ribbing from my other half ( a Wales supporter) if we lose. Either way, something to get the adrenaline going. :0)
Just like in Scotland, Ireland, France... Heard it all before. Glad you hold us in such high regard. ;0)
Wales - Ireland has to be the match of the weekend, and the best chance we'll get to see fast, slick rugby, mostly from the Ireland backs... ;0P
> Us Welshies consider it the second... nothing is better than beating the English!
Looking forward to that one, always the best win of the 6N for England if it happens, or the crushing disappointment and weeks of ribbing from my other half ( a Wales supporter) if we lose. Either way, something to get the adrenaline going. :0)
> Last week was great for us too As they say in Wales... we have two teams; our own and anyone playing England. lol
Just like in Scotland, Ireland, France... Heard it all before. Glad you hold us in such high regard. ;0)
> I just hope Wales play better this weekend as last week we were pretty uninspired (unlike the Irish).
Wales - Ireland has to be the match of the weekend, and the best chance we'll get to see fast, slick rugby, mostly from the Ireland backs... ;0P
In reply to teflonpete:
More of a Celtic thing I think; pretty sure the French are indifferent (unless something interferes with their cigarette). Probably because England are such graceful winners. lol
Oooh fighting talk! lol. But then the English don't quite understand the role of the backs.
> Just like in Scotland, Ireland, France... Heard it all before. Glad you hold us in such high regard. ;0)
More of a Celtic thing I think; pretty sure the French are indifferent (unless something interferes with their cigarette). Probably because England are such graceful winners. lol
> Wales - Ireland has to be the match of the weekend, and the best chance we'll get to see fast, slick rugby, mostly from the Ireland backs... ;0P
Oooh fighting talk! lol. But then the English don't quite understand the role of the backs.
In reply to crayefish:
The French were jumping on the ABE bandwaggon last year or year before. No worries.
Backs? They're the ones that do the penalty kicks aren't they? ;0)
> More of a Celtic thing I think; pretty sure the French are indifferent (unless something interferes with their cigarette). Probably because England are such graceful winners. lol
The French were jumping on the ABE bandwaggon last year or year before. No worries.
> Oooh fighting talk! lol. But then the English don't quite understand the role of the backs.
Backs? They're the ones that do the penalty kicks aren't they? ;0)
In reply to teflonpete:
They're a sulky bunch
Hahahaha spot on!
> The French were jumping on the ABE bandwaggon last year or year before. No worries.
They're a sulky bunch
> Backs? They're the ones that do the penalty kicks aren't they? ;0)
Hahahaha spot on!
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Looking good for the Irish, hope they dont fold second half like last year
Looking good for the Irish, hope they dont fold second half like last year
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Looks like no grandslam for wales this year
Very convincing finish from ireland
Looks like no grandslam for wales this year
Very convincing finish from ireland
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In reply to balmybaldwin:
On that performance they might be re-stocking the kitchen drawer. Clueless. Ireland were clever, simple game played very effectively.
On that performance they might be re-stocking the kitchen drawer. Clueless. Ireland were clever, simple game played very effectively.
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Im liking the look of the pitch. This is going to get messy. Proper rugby like I remember playing coming home with kit my mum wanted to burn rather than put in her machine!
Im liking the look of the pitch. This is going to get messy. Proper rugby like I remember playing coming home with kit my mum wanted to burn rather than put in her machine!
In reply to balmybaldwin:
Was the Scotland v England match part of the reason they want to go independent? Fed up of getting walked over etc..
Was the Scotland v England match part of the reason they want to go independent? Fed up of getting walked over etc..
In reply to JoshOvki:
I was a bit surprised, thought Scotland did fairly well against Ireland ( and the Irish thrashing wales puts the result in some context).
Not sure if the pitch favoured England a bit, heavy conditions being on the side of the Big English units (vunipola x2 , Marler, Courtney and co) with only Denton and big Jim Hamilton being able to cope?
What has Grey senior done wrong to get dropped?
> Was the Scotland v England match part of the reason they want to go independent? Fed up of getting walked over etc..
I was a bit surprised, thought Scotland did fairly well against Ireland ( and the Irish thrashing wales puts the result in some context).
Not sure if the pitch favoured England a bit, heavy conditions being on the side of the Big English units (vunipola x2 , Marler, Courtney and co) with only Denton and big Jim Hamilton being able to cope?
What has Grey senior done wrong to get dropped?
In reply to Dr.S at work:
You must be joking. I'm half-inclined to believe the SRU planned that pitch, in order to bog England down.
Historically, that is what Scotland do when we come to Murrayfield: they try to stop us playing rugby. Sometimes it works. This time it didn't.
That's certainly what they were up to yesterday: dropping mauls, interfering with release, going off their feet, dropping scrums, obstructing, coming in from the side, holding on the ground, lazy running--pretty much everything in the cheats' handbook, really. If the ref had actually stuck to the laws of the game, Scotland would have had at least one man in the sin-bin pretty much the whole time.
There was one particularly comical moment where after plenty of warnings the ref had just sin-binned Dunbar for holding on the ground, and at the very next ruck, what d'you know--there's a Scottish player holding on the ground. Did he sin-bin him too? He should have, but he chickened out.
If the ref had stuck to the rules and shown the bottle he's supposed to, England would have won by 50 or 60 points.
Also, the match would not have happened at Murrayfield, because the ref could and should have refused to let it be played on that surface. For more about that, see my rant on the other thread
> Not sure if the pitch favoured England a bit
You must be joking. I'm half-inclined to believe the SRU planned that pitch, in order to bog England down.
Historically, that is what Scotland do when we come to Murrayfield: they try to stop us playing rugby. Sometimes it works. This time it didn't.
That's certainly what they were up to yesterday: dropping mauls, interfering with release, going off their feet, dropping scrums, obstructing, coming in from the side, holding on the ground, lazy running--pretty much everything in the cheats' handbook, really. If the ref had actually stuck to the laws of the game, Scotland would have had at least one man in the sin-bin pretty much the whole time.
There was one particularly comical moment where after plenty of warnings the ref had just sin-binned Dunbar for holding on the ground, and at the very next ruck, what d'you know--there's a Scottish player holding on the ground. Did he sin-bin him too? He should have, but he chickened out.
If the ref had stuck to the rules and shown the bottle he's supposed to, England would have won by 50 or 60 points.
Also, the match would not have happened at Murrayfield, because the ref could and should have refused to let it be played on that surface. For more about that, see my rant on the other thread
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PS The moment that said it all about Scotland's attitude yesterday: they got the ball off the back of a maul with 81 minutes on the clock, scrum half passes to fly half, fly half...
Does what? I'll give you a multiple choice:
1) ...sets off on a mazy run to try to restore some pride to Scottish hearts and scores a brilliant against-the-odds last-throw-of-the-dice solo try
2) ...does a miss-pass to his outside centre who sets off on a mazy run etc.
3) ...inside-dinks it to an enormous forward who charges like a fridge on legs and scores a brilliant etc.
4) ...at least has a go, but charges into brick-wall defence
5) ...kicks it out on the full so he can go and have a shower and a back-rub.
Any guesses which it was? Pathetic. You're playing for your country, lad. Is that really all you've got?
Does what? I'll give you a multiple choice:
1) ...sets off on a mazy run to try to restore some pride to Scottish hearts and scores a brilliant against-the-odds last-throw-of-the-dice solo try
2) ...does a miss-pass to his outside centre who sets off on a mazy run etc.
3) ...inside-dinks it to an enormous forward who charges like a fridge on legs and scores a brilliant etc.
4) ...at least has a go, but charges into brick-wall defence
5) ...kicks it out on the full so he can go and have a shower and a back-rub.
Any guesses which it was? Pathetic. You're playing for your country, lad. Is that really all you've got?
In reply to Tim Chappell:
Not disagreeing with you re some of the shonky tactics we employed yesterday Tim but as per usual you have your blinkers on. If last weeks ref had any balls he would have sent off Care for putting the boot into a French player and would have had a lot of words with rugby's answer to David Beckham Owen Farrell for his consistently petulant behaviour. Not saying we are squeaky clean, but some of the England squad display a shameful arrogance and Lancaster and Robshaw deserve better frankly. Your comment about the SRU planning that pitch BTW is ridiculous.
I think you're getting in a bit of an anti Scottish froth as well here, you're giving us way too much credit. We were/are shit, simple as that. Occasionally great passing ruined by an apparent inability to keep it going to the line, bottling it and gambling everything on a kick. The ghost of Dan Parks haunts us still. Depressing.
I do agree that you should have won by 50 or 60 points, but it wasn't because of the referee, more likely it was because England aren't as good as you think, and based on yesterday, I'd expect Wales to beat them and Ireland to flatten them. England were sometimes great to watch yesterday and last weekend, but that's still not saying much.
Not disagreeing with you re some of the shonky tactics we employed yesterday Tim but as per usual you have your blinkers on. If last weeks ref had any balls he would have sent off Care for putting the boot into a French player and would have had a lot of words with rugby's answer to David Beckham Owen Farrell for his consistently petulant behaviour. Not saying we are squeaky clean, but some of the England squad display a shameful arrogance and Lancaster and Robshaw deserve better frankly. Your comment about the SRU planning that pitch BTW is ridiculous.
I think you're getting in a bit of an anti Scottish froth as well here, you're giving us way too much credit. We were/are shit, simple as that. Occasionally great passing ruined by an apparent inability to keep it going to the line, bottling it and gambling everything on a kick. The ghost of Dan Parks haunts us still. Depressing.
I do agree that you should have won by 50 or 60 points, but it wasn't because of the referee, more likely it was because England aren't as good as you think, and based on yesterday, I'd expect Wales to beat them and Ireland to flatten them. England were sometimes great to watch yesterday and last weekend, but that's still not saying much.
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In reply to Removed User:
Some of that I agree with, in particular:
a) Yes, Farrell needs to grow up. His off the ball antics are stupid, childish, and embarrassing. He needs to work on his tackling, too.
b) Yes, Scotland are quite simply shit (that's why they were having to cheat).
c) Yes, on present form England should lose to Ireland, and perhaps to Wales as well.
d) No, joking apart, I don't seriously think the SRU actually *planned* to produce such a rubbish pitch; they are nonetheless accountable for completely ballsing it up. I hope they get their ears properly bent about this. It's not just about producing a pitch that will give us an attractive game. Much more importantly, it's about producing a pitch that won't kill/ disable someone when the front rows lose their footing.
Oh, and...
e) Nothing remotely anti-Scottish about this. I want Scotland to do well. I'd like them to be the number 2 side in the world ...But right now, as you say, they're shit.
Some of that I agree with, in particular:
a) Yes, Farrell needs to grow up. His off the ball antics are stupid, childish, and embarrassing. He needs to work on his tackling, too.
b) Yes, Scotland are quite simply shit (that's why they were having to cheat).
c) Yes, on present form England should lose to Ireland, and perhaps to Wales as well.
d) No, joking apart, I don't seriously think the SRU actually *planned* to produce such a rubbish pitch; they are nonetheless accountable for completely ballsing it up. I hope they get their ears properly bent about this. It's not just about producing a pitch that will give us an attractive game. Much more importantly, it's about producing a pitch that won't kill/ disable someone when the front rows lose their footing.
Oh, and...
e) Nothing remotely anti-Scottish about this. I want Scotland to do well. I'd like them to be the number 2 side in the world ...But right now, as you say, they're shit.
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In reply to Tim Chappell:
Agreed.
> they are nonetheless accountable for completely ballsing it up. I hope they get their ears properly bent about this. It's not just about producing a pitch that will give us an attractive game. Much more importantly, it's about producing a pitch that won't kill/ disable someone when the front rows lose their footing.
Agreed.
In reply to Tim Chappell:
That's certainly what they were up to yesterday: dropping mauls, interfering with release, going off their feet, dropping scrums, obstructing, coming in from the side, holding on the ground, lazy running--pretty much everything in the cheats' handbook, really. If the ref had actually stuck to the laws of the game, Scotland would have had at least one man in the sin-bin pretty much the whole time.
Sounds like a Richie McCaw master class!
If anyone want's a laugh at the expense of the Welsh, then Scrum V starts in five minutes or so...
That's certainly what they were up to yesterday: dropping mauls, interfering with release, going off their feet, dropping scrums, obstructing, coming in from the side, holding on the ground, lazy running--pretty much everything in the cheats' handbook, really. If the ref had actually stuck to the laws of the game, Scotland would have had at least one man in the sin-bin pretty much the whole time.
Sounds like a Richie McCaw master class!
If anyone want's a laugh at the expense of the Welsh, then Scrum V starts in five minutes or so...
In reply to FactorXXX:
I'm watching Wales/ Ireland now. I always enjoy the other matches, the ones I don't have a national interest in, more than the England match, during which I get depressed if they're losing and perfectionist if they're winning... But this, unlike England v Scotland, does look like a proper, two-sided, blood and thunder rugby international. I don't think Wales are anything like as bad as the scoreline suggests. I don't fancy England's chances against either, I'm afraid.
One complaint: Scott Williams ought to be cited for his late shoulder-charge on BO'D. Dangerous and pointless. He deserved to get injured, going in like that.
I'm watching Wales/ Ireland now. I always enjoy the other matches, the ones I don't have a national interest in, more than the England match, during which I get depressed if they're losing and perfectionist if they're winning... But this, unlike England v Scotland, does look like a proper, two-sided, blood and thunder rugby international. I don't think Wales are anything like as bad as the scoreline suggests. I don't fancy England's chances against either, I'm afraid.
One complaint: Scott Williams ought to be cited for his late shoulder-charge on BO'D. Dangerous and pointless. He deserved to get injured, going in like that.
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