/ importance of core strength in skiing?
How important is core strength in skiing?
I was reading a thread here and someone said that skiing moguls is all sbout core strength.
Is this true?
At the gym I train my core with deadlifts, front squats and weighted squats.
But is skiing all about moguls?
probably also benefit with a bit of sideways movement (not so much of a issue in everyday life but for skiing), wall sits are likely to also be benefital
Not important at all unless your verging on a professional level.
Skiing a lot in General will build your core strength.
Not important at all. A you'll see all sorts on the slopes and they all seem to be having a great time.
Yeah, the idea of 'core strength' as distinct from overall strength is bullshit anyway. Marketing gimmick conjured up by people trying to sell DVDs and silly excercise equipment.
Strong deadlift= strong core
Skiing is not all about Moguls - but a lot of people have problems with Moguls....
I think a strong core helps with balance and helps prevents injuries.
What sideways exercises would you recommend?
I actually do wall sits as part of my gym sessions and as part of my home yoga sessions.
I wish I was verging on a professional level!
I hope skiing a lot will build my core strength.
Cool as beanz.
I did 25 kg deadlifts today (12.5 kg on each side of the bar.
When I did maximum strength I did 60 kg (30 kg on each side of the bar.
Of course it's important to all skiers. Poor core strength will result in a sore back. As a beginner you have to get up all the time when you've fallen over. Most people fall in deep powder sometime during a big day and wallowing in the snow follows just to get your skis out, let alone regain your feet. Try putting your skis and boots on and lying out on your back behind your skis, then regain an upright position. Warm up well as it puts a big strain on your knees.
Side squat also known as the side lunge
Skiing Moguls is at least 90% ski technique. I would say core strength is a minor part.
I see really good skiers who do no phys for ages then smash the moguls.
As Greg Plank the American skier said "anyone can spend $500 on skis and look good in powder its moguls that test your technique".
If you do want to do some core exercises for skiing I would have thought that a kettlebell workout would be much better than dead lifts.
Why's that? Deadlift allows more weight, which means more muscle and nervous system recruitment, which means stronger faster. KB's might have some uses for conditioning or srtrength endurance but are inferior to barbellls for straight up strength. Also, if you haven't tried it yourself, working a heavy barbell taxes your balance significantly too.
I have done pleany of heavy barbell stuff, just back foirm gym doing sets of 80kg BPs.
But the problem as I see it is that squats are really a one dimensional exercise (slightly 2 dimensional as you do go back and forwards a bit) whereas skiing is very 3 dimensinal, whatch the mogul skiers in winter olympics. Kettlebells will give more dynamic core strength more suited to this type of skiing.
Downhill racers will do lots of squats as the requirments are very different.
But as I said before mogul skiing is techniqure and core dosen't realy help with that. To ski moguls well you have to be very relaxed so again core strength is less of an issue.
How to get stronger at skiing? Well gee, I imagine skiing might well do it...
I have fallen at the dryslope but that was because I was not following mny skis and lying back!
It only happened the first few times though.
Thanks for the advice.
Do you know any good kettle bell exercises?
Thanks for that.
Will look it up on youtube.
Thanks for that.
That does hold!
The only way to find out is to go and ski real snow,
I'd say it depends on what type of skiing your doing. XC involves a lot of core, and ski touring with a pack requires good core stability.
What are snowdomes like compared to a resort?
I thought XC was a type of ski touring!?
All my training would be good for when I start touring.
Not to go off topic too much....
I think it is important in certain disciplines of climbing where a rucksuck or small pack is worn for example multi-pitch climbing, Scottish winter climbing (multi-pitch), alpine climbing and expeditions including big wallls.
A strong and stable core is very important in all climbing and mountaineering activitoes including hillwalking.
Agreed. Skiing is not just about general fitness - it uses a specific muscle set, particularly in the thighs. I once went on a Ski Aerobics course in The Netherlands and it emphasised squats and hopping up and down onto benches in a crouched position until one's thigh muscles were screaming. All the to music of Terence Trent d'Arby (back in the late '80s sometime). This really did help with the mogul skiing.
Moguls are very bad for knees. Olympic mogul skiers end up with damaged knees. .
All the snowdomes I've been in are tiny compared to the real thing. Typically 200m x 50m and at an angle of a very easy blue, so ideal for beginners. The snow is really ice crystals that are blown out of snow cannon where as at a resort you get what falls from the sky maybe with some snow cannon mixed it. At both the snow is pisted i.e. a tractor drives over it to pack it down and smooth it out to make it easy to ski on.
At a resort your outdoors in the fresh air with the sun on your face (hopefully) and the wind in your hair, at a snowdome your in a fridge. Skiing wise snowdomes are marginally more like skiing on real snow than dryslopes but for starting out you wont notice the difference, either will do. To begin with an hour or two will feel like quite hard work and you will fall over a lot, but it's snow its soft so laugh at yourself. Once you get the hang of it you wont fall so much and you'll want more. Once you move outside you wont want to go back into the fridge.
My work out is very core and leg based.
Funny thing - my legs especially quads are very strong and big!....
I used to have a very strong ore when I bouldered at Craggy 2 then I stopped boludering for a while and lost that core strength.
I feel so much better after it though.
I hope it will make me a good skier....
It has improved my indoor bouldering!
How long did it take you to be a comptetent mogul skier?
Even to consider mogul runs you need a core like iron, otherwise you risk serious injury. I recommend a personal trainer to lead you in a highly specific set of intense exercises, carried out for at least four three hour sessions per week.
Alternatively: stop posting nonsense and learn to ski. Moguls require a specific technique that you won't master until you can skl steep pistes confidently. Just look up some of the online ski sites or read an article in a magazine. Then when you're in a resort, get some lessons.
Obviously being generally fit will help skiing, and allow you to stay out longer. But the only specific exercise I would (seriously) bother with is wall sits. Build up to being able to do 4 reps of 3 minutes with a minute's rest between each rep and you will not suffer from painful thighs.
I am not considering mogul runs this year.
I was asking about core strength in skiing more generally.
I have been watching youtube ski instruction videos and have read a few articles.
During Christmas I also watched the Warren Smith video clips on his website
I am reading The All Mountain Skier at present....
What nonsense have I posted?
I do wall sits anyway but I do not know long to hold them for or how many reps.
Thanks for the info on the wall sits.
Had a look at your LinkedIN profile today, it says you were a DMM and Mountain Equipment climber? Hmmm...
I put alot of crap on social networks!
I can remove that!
At the dryslope I did fall over a lot on my first hour as I kept leaning back- silly me!
I think I would prefer the real thing....
But will have a lesson or two at a snowdome.
So, is skiing on real snow addictive then?
I have suggested you are troll before, Mountain Spirit, Savvas or whatever your name is. I think the joke has now worn thin.
Savvas is my name.
I am not a troll.
My profile is open to everyone!
Msg me to check.
Proper skiing is so intensely addictive that you'll struggle to think about anything else whilst you have access too it.
I wouldn't say I was a competent mogul skier. It took me about five seasons before I could come down a long mogul field without falling. Then I would "punish" myself with a long (e.g. 1000 to 1500 foot) black mogul run about once a day. Now I don't even do that - too much strain on the knees. One thing that made mogul skiing much easier for your average skier was the advent of the modern short ski with lots of side cut. My previous pair of skis that I had during the 90's were long and relatively narrow with only slight side cut. They were very fast (considerably faster than the next generation skis), but harder to turn and less maneuverable.
It is your profile that makes me think you are a troll. It suggests you have climbed almost nothing, and all of that very easy, and yet your gigantic wish list includes many routes at the highest level of difficulty. In general, you come across as a fictional character, which is amusing at first, but as I said, the joke is now wearing thin.
You say your best climbing experience was on Little Tryfan, and yet you want to climb Sleepy Hollow Direct, E10, 7a, incredibly hard big walls free on El Cap, and Alpine testpieces such as the Bonatti on the Capucin. I suppose you may simply be the ultimate mountain Walter Mitty, with a rich fantasy life, but I think you get your kicks from writing zany posts on UKC and watching people take them seriously. Maybe you are in fact a very famous climber who has actually done some of these routes. Anyway, I do not believe you are real.
Shorter skis definitely help in moguls. But in theory side cut should make skiing moguls more difficult. When skiing moguls you want to ski a driect line down the slope thruogh the moguls. To do this and cotrol your speed you need to rotate the skis without them edging. This is easier to achive on a ski with little side cut and a big turning radius.
One thing that doers make skiing moguls easier is having the binding more towards the centre of the ski. Thisa makes it easier to achive pure rotation.
if you look at the skis the mogul skiers are using in the olympics they are like a quite short park ski with nearly parallel edges and the binding close to the centre.
I got some Rossignol S80 ski cheap and by chance they had the binding close to the centre of the ski and its made moguls much easier.
He is real.
Yes, the the main thing that has helped is the shorter length. The increased side-cut was only to make skiing easier for weaker skiers.
So when I go in March this year I will be hungry for me next year!
I have heard it very addictive!
Hark at her.
A wishlist is just a wishlist.
It does not mean I am going to do any of that stuff soon or even in the far future.
Mind you a mate of mine who manages Ellis Brigham in Covent Garden told me that you only have one life you know about.
I am fed up of living in a place where I do not have easy access p[roper outdoor climbing!
Almost, but not quite,as addictive as "the flow". I've done 4 weeks this year so far and cannot wait to get back...
I think I would have problems with moguls because of a knee tendon accident at a party many many years ago....
I twisted the tendon at the back of my left knee and I had to have physiotherapy afterwards for months.
I still wear a knee brace on that knee when I do physical activity.
Thanks for the link.
They look very helpful.
May I seriously suggest you blow off mogul skiing. I really don't think it is worth the risk of further damage, since you need to where a knee brace already. Just enjoy yourself on the smmother stuff.
I think that is a great idea....
Moguls are off limits for me at the moment even though my knee is much better.
I wish I never went to that party know!
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