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 CharlieMack 23 Apr 2014
Looking to upgrade from my 1 man to a 2 man.

I'm going to be using it mostly for just myself, but from time to time with the misses. So lightness and pack size are foremost over livable interior size.

Not interested in anything with over 2.5kg fully packed weight, unless it has some magical feature.

Got a budget of £200-£300.
 crayefish 23 Apr 2014
In reply to Kai:

> Mountain Hardwear Direkt 2


Unless it's used only for high altitude climbing or super cold stuff, it will be a nightmare. Single skinned tents are really not suitable for general use for anything more than a day due to condensation and the need to keep the flap open a little amongst others!
OP CharlieMack 23 Apr 2014
In reply to Kai:

Had a look at that. Going to have lots of condensation issues and doesn't look greatly stable in high winds.
I guess its for cold dry bivi sites.
 kestrelspl 23 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:
Depending on the conditions you want it for the Marmot Grid, which is just above your weight limit at 2.7kg, might be worth a look. 'magic' features that merit the extra weight are the fly first pitching which is so much easier in windy conditions and general bombproofness.

http://www.ukclimbing.com/gear/review.php?id=2099
http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/ch/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.detail&code...
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 LucaC 23 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

Just got a MHW supermega ul2. 1.2kg 2 person (but snug) borderline 3 season tent. Currently on sale for £330 on snow and rock. Suitably impressed so far, but it is a bit specialised and I don't expect it to stand up to general abuse.
OP CharlieMack 24 Apr 2014
In reply to kestrelspl:

Had a look at the marmot. I like how stable it looks. And its got a good low sitting fly sheet. Possibly just s litte heavy and expensive. If it was one or other I'd probably get it.
In reply to CharlieMack:

Terra Nova Vayager. I love mine... Bomb proof !
 TMM 24 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

http://www.tarptent.com/scarp2.html

$405 (£241.23 with crossing poles and solid inner). Shipping and import will probably just take you slightly over budget
1.7Kg
Four season (UK)
Two porches

A lot of tent for the money.
 roddyp 24 Apr 2014
In reply to TMM:
+1 for the Scarp. I have the smaller Scarp 1, and it's light and hugely roomy for my 6'3". Maybe a little cramped for 2, but with two doors and big porches.

Twin skin. Inner and outer pitch together. 1.2kg without crossing poles. Make sure you seam seal it (or ask tarptent to do it for you).

http://butnoidea.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/wpid-P1030347.jpg
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OP CharlieMack 24 Apr 2014
In reply to TMM:

Looking at the new MSR Hubba hubba nx. Full 2 man tent for 300. Looks fairly stable. Same weight as tarp tent but looks much better/ substantial for the same weight and price.

Anyone got any experience with MSR tents? Looks great for ventilation.
Though doesn't look particularly hardwearing.
 Bluebird 24 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

what are the tarptent poles made from? do they have one pole section "built in" to each corner??
 TMM 24 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

The Hubba Hubba NX looks nice.

I prefer something that pitches all in one or at least fly first.

With the crossing poles added I have no doubt that the Scarp will be stronger and with a solid inner more comfortable in winter.

In reply to Bluebird. The Scarp models have carbon fibre struts built into the tent. It is a similar concept to the Hilleberg Akto. They are removable but it would be a faff to add them each time you pitch.
 roddyp 24 Apr 2014
In reply to Bluebird:

The main hoop and crossing poles are aluminium on mine. The v-struts at each corner, (and 2 in the middle of the end walls) are carbon fibre, and are 'built in'. They're easily removed/replaced in case of damage, though.

Decent review here. http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/tarptent_scarp2_te...
In reply to CharlieMack:

> So lightness and pack size are foremost over livable interior size.

What are your other use criteria? Lowland/sheltered/backpacking or high altitude mountaineering? Porches? etc...
 PPP 24 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

http://www.tauntonleisure.com/force-10-helium-2-tent-2014/p11417

That would do the trick. I have 1 man version and is just brilliant piece of kit. 2 man version could be a little bit narrow for two people, but one person tent is just enormously large for one (I used to stay under the poncho or in Snugpak Stratosphere, so...).
 Nordie_matt 24 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

I am looking at an MSR hubba as a 1 man option, but the hubba hubba (2 man) looks v ery impressive too

http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/tents/experience-series/hubba-hubba-nx/pr...
windjammer 24 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

macpac minaret bomber tent and light enough for one to carry,ive bought a lot of tents over time and wish i had just bought the minaret the first time. needle sports have them on offer
OP CharlieMack 24 Apr 2014
In reply to captain paranoia:

Looking at mountain use so built to stand high wind and rain. Will probably not be using in winter or for altitude stuff. Just UK 3 season mountain use.
OP CharlieMack 24 Apr 2014
In reply to Nordie_matt:

Ive read reviews that it's not stable in mid to high winds, which I imagine it will be used in quite frequently.
needvert 25 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

Bit above your price range by I note from moontrail.com you can get a hilleberg Anjan 2 for 355GBP, with enough bonus points to get a dragonfly, omnifuel or xgk stove at no additional cost, among other things.

Will be a bit of a wait and extra in postage to the UK, but looks cheaper than buying a hilleberg locally I gather.
 Nordie_matt 25 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

Fair enough, I've mate who used one on a 2 month sea kayak trip round the coast of Norway and he said it was brilliant. Just a point, On that trip he had to camp on the shore line as his kayak was thrown on rocks and holed whilst paddling in 40-50km head winds. I'll ask him how he found it in strong winds if you want?
OP CharlieMack 25 Apr 2014
In reply to Nordie_matt:

Was that the 1 or 2 man version. I was pretty much sold on it until I read that review. Was on live for the outdoors where they tested 26 tents on a 2 month trip up the west coast up to alaska.
The MSR tents rated lowest on stability in winds. May well be that they're ok and that the others are more bombproof.
If that's the case I'll get a hubba nx.
 anaesthetic 25 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

Could you post a link to the LFTO review please?
 Nordie_matt 25 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

It was the 2 man hibba hubba he was using, I've dropped him a message on FB and will let you know what he says when I hear back.
 Euge 25 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

My answer to this every time used to be Robert Saunders Mountain Trek...
If you can get one they are The Dogs...

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 anaesthetic 25 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:

thanks
 sargy 25 Apr 2014
In reply to needvert:

> Bit above your price range by I note from moontrail.com you can get a hilleberg Anjan 2 for 355GBP, with enough bonus points to get a dragonfly, omnifuel or xgk stove at no additional cost, among other things.

> Will be a bit of a wait and extra in postage to the UK, but looks cheaper than buying a hilleberg locally I gather.

AFAIK they state they have been specifically asked by Hilleberg NOT to post to the EU or anywhere else out the States. Their tents are very nicely priced- thinking of asking a US-based uncle to buy one and bring it over for me....
 Nordie_matt 25 Apr 2014
In reply to CharlieMack:
My mate got back to me and said the msr wasn't too good in wind ( his main reasoning for using was it could be pitched without pegs on rock plateaus) and he wouldn't trust it on the mountain at all.

So sorry for the crap suggestion!
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 PPP 25 Apr 2014
In reply to sargy:

That is ridiculous. Akto costs less than 300GBP on Moontrail while it costs 500GBP in the UK.
 FreshSlate 25 Apr 2014
In reply to PPP:

"Hilleberg has asked that US retailers not ship to addresses in Europe, Japan or S Korea"

Why's that then I wonder!
OP CharlieMack 25 Apr 2014
In reply to Nordie_matt:

That's a shame. The force 10 helium is looking like the best bet atm then. Though I'd prefer something free standing. Or at least with a bigger porch.
Though really light and can get it for £230.
 roddyp 25 Apr 2014
In reply to PPP:

> That is ridiculous. Akto costs less than 300GBP on Moontrail while it costs 500GBP in the UK.

Add Shipping, VAT/Duty (including VAT on the shipping!) and your courier's additional charge for collecting the VAT, and you'll be easily above GBP400.

Then remember your BMC or other club discount and you should be able to knock 10-15% off the Akto's £490 list, so there's probably only a tenner or so in it.

And you wouldn't have to return it to the US for warranty repairs...

needvert 26 Apr 2014
In reply to sargy:
It's like that for climbing gear from the US too. I use either a remailing service (shipito) or a friend. You pick your courier and have to estimate the value of the box contents yourself.

Depending where amazon ships will influence if you pay US sales tax and how much.

That 20% VAT at the border is pretty high, I had forgotten about it.

Edit: Am not in the UK, but in another country with unreasonable prices
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