In reply to puppythedog:
Thank you both,I had figured on abseillling in to goldenfleece if I needed to get there but had the same worries as mentioned about the path. I was going to fix her to me and manage it or head further towards pam's pride becuase I soloed a Vdiff there (can't remember what) and remember the path being easier but the VDIFF having a reach or two in it.
Plump hill might be best bet, it's tough to balance up my desire for them to have a real experience versus maybe them not being ready for a real experience
I think plumphill is tame but then maybe that's good