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Christheclimber - on 03 Jul 2014
Do you think it is a two horse race this year between Froome and Contador?

I'm looking forward to the Yorkshire stages with the Cote de Blubberhouses and Cote de Holme Moss!
balmybaldwin - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Hoping it's a properly contested tour this year.... I think Bertie might shade it on pre tdf form, but then he's just lost one of his strongest teammates.

Nibbles didn't look anywhere near at the Dauphine will be interesting how he'll be by the time they get into teh Alps
Chris the Tall - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I'm going to stick with my earlier prediction - beefy, Froome, Valverde, nibbles. Except I reckon at least one of them will have a disaster on either stage 2 or stage 5.
Christheclimber - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

What disasters do you predict??+
thedatastream on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Beefy?
Nibbles?

balmybaldwin - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

A big name is going to stack it somewhere on a humpbacked bridge in yorkshire, there will then ensue a mighty row about whether the others should or shouldn't have waited for him.

There'll be badly timed punctures in Flanders.

I had completely forgotten about the Shlecks - haven't heard a thing about their form (although I suspect it has mysteriously fallen off somewhat since a few years ago)
balmybaldwin - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to thedatastream:

Beefy - Alberto Contador so named as he has a penchant for well dosed beef

Nibbles - Vinzenzo Nibali (I don't think he bites?)
Fredt on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

There was a great line from Rony Robinson on Radio Sheffield this morning.

'The Tour de France has been going since 1903, but it's never before been through Wincobank"
Springfield - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I hope Froome falls on his arse. I would rather any of the other GC contenders won.

Long live Wiggo
thedatastream on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

Got it. I thought Monster Munch had started sponsoring a team.
balmybaldwin - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Springfield:

I think there will be a lot of that kind of sentiment amoung brits this year... very sad that a sporting hero has been treated the way he has (as in not been able to defend his title, or even ride the tour since winning even as a domestique.

John W - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Springfield and balmybaldwin:

My thoughts entirely.

JW
andy - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin: The spoof twitter account @tweetersagan used to refer to Nibali as Mr Nibbles, Cadel Evans as Mr Cuddles and Wiggins as Mr Twiglet. It's reappeared now but doesn't seem as funny.

Lord of Starkness - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I think it's almost inevitable that at least one fairly big name rider will be out of contention by the time the race leaves Yorkshire, and another will come to grief on the cobbles of stage 5. Picking the 'purist' fantasy team will be problematical. For all you who aren't in it yet the UKC Velo mini league is up and running on http://fantasy.road.cc/leagues ID 73316
Chris the Tall - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

> What disasters do you predict??+

Crashes are a possibility, but even if everyone stays upright, the narrow, steep twisty roads at the end of stage 2, and the cobbles on stage 5, should mean there will be breaks in the peloton and you could lose several minutes. That will itself make everyone nervous and desperate to stay near the front....
GrahamD - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

> I think there will be a lot of that kind of sentiment amoung brits this year... very sad that a sporting hero has been treated the way he has (as in not been able to defend his title, or even ride the tour since winning even as a domestique.

It is a shame but it would be silly to take that frustration out on Chris Froome. Its a Sky management (ie Sir Dave)decision, after all and we don't know on what closed door conversations with either rider it was based on.

Yes its a shame Wiggo isn't there but its great that a British GC contender is.
Christheclimber - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Oh yes there are some very narrow roads in Yorkshire and I hadn't looked at Stage 5 properly.
Springfield - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

Which British GC contender are you talking about? Froome's not British
malk - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Springfield:

no British win this year then?
i reckon no more wins for us for a while as they've caught up with whatever froomie was on..
;)
felt - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Springfield:

He is.
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felt - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to malk:

He was on his bike. What are you on?
Christheclimber - on 03 Jul 2014
In reply to Lord of Starkness:

Thanks for link, how do you think Cav will do?
balmybaldwin - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I reckon he'll get a couple of stages, but I doubt he'll be top dog this year, Kittel has come on in leaps and bounds lately, and probably has the better sprint team now. I think Sagan will be up there in the points comp as he'll pick up a few of the stages with short uphill finishes.
GrahamD - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Springfield:

What is your definition of 'British' then ?
TimB - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Lord of Starkness:
Ah, thanks for the road.cc ID.

Hang on - it doesn't work for me. 73316 ?
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Lord of Starkness - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to TimB:

Whoops -- typo -- ID should be 77316
TimB - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Lord of Starkness:

Thanks - just requested admission
Alun - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Lord of Starkness:

Hi chaps,

Would it be okay if I joined the league too? I am in a mini league with a couple of mates, but three is hardly enough to foster any real competition! I'll send a request.

Got my team for first stage all prepped (as many expensive sprinters as possible, then the four cheapest riders - I'm not sure that's a particularly secret or unique tactic!). Second stage might be a bit trickier to call though.
TomBaker - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Alun:

I'll play purist. Largely because i'm too lazy to spend the entire tour changing my team.

So one team is picked and i'm sad to say I picked Kittel as the only sprinter. Still wondering if Sagan wouldn't have been a better choice.
Christheclimber - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to TomBaker:

Sagan for me.
Dave Kerr - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Springfield:

> Froome's not British

He races on a British license.
CarbonCopy on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

So ITV or Eurosport coverage? Im going with ITV. Cant handle Carlton Kirby for 3 weeks and the addition of Millar to the ITV crew has to be a bonus?
Christheclimber - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to CarbonCopy:


Definitely ITV for me. Looking forward to tomorrow, hope the weather picks up and the rain stops.
Dave Kerr - on 04 Jul 2014
In reply to CarbonCopy:

> So ITV or Eurosport coverage?

If it was Kelly then Eurosport all the way. Otherwise ITV.
Christheclimber - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to CarbonCopy:

It's all about to kick off. Stage 1 (Leeds to Harrogate))live coverage starts at 10.30 on ITV4 and highlights are on at 7 this evening.
Orgsm on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Dave Kerr:

> He races on a British license.

His is British. I suspect Springfield is a EDL supporter.
Doug on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

what's UK TV showing ? on France 3 its been a piece on fish & chips & now its Petula Clark singing a medley of songs in french & english. Hopefully we'll get some cycling eventually
Darren Jackson - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Here we go!... My arse is firmly glued to the sofa today. The Cote de Oughtibridge beckons tomorrow.
Darren Jackson - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Doug:

TV has just been showing Chris Froome being grilled about where he's buried Wiggo's corpse.
abr1966 - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Right....thats me on itv4....lasted 10 minutes on eurosport untill that idiot started talking about viaducts!!
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mark s - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

the crowds are amazing,even more than the olympics
abr1966 - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

The crods are amazing.....riding through Otley now and i cant believe the nimber....what a great turnout....im well chuffed for us!!
stewieatb on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Well, that mallarkey at Harwood (sp?) House was embarrassing. Red Arrows was nice though.

Jens Voigt on the break. Where else would he be on day 1 of the Tour?
Tom V - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to stewieatb:

Spelt Harewood, pronounced Harwood
PeterM - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Tom V:

The crowds are amazing and Yorkshire looks fantastic...and Jensie in the break! Great viewing!
Fat Bumbly2 - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to PeterM:

Dales look amazing - A very special day.
mark s - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Fat Bumbly2:

the few muppets who on other threads moaned about the tour were right,yorkshire obviously didnt want it,wonder where the crowds are
Darren Jackson - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

Confused. Was that the Cote de Cray, or the top of Mont Ventoux? Huge crowds.
Christheclimber - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Didn't see anyone climbing at Malham on the helicopter view. Must be watching the Tour.
Darren Jackson - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Kilnsey looked quiet too.
abr1966 - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Voigt out on his own.....how the hell does Greipel get over big hills he's bloody huge!
Christheclimber - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

Voigt is king of the dales!. Amazing crowds and a bit of a traffic jam for the peloton on the way up the Cote de Buttertubs.
Christheclimber - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

Bugger. I have to go out now arghhhhhhh going to miss the rest of this stage, bugger.
Pepper on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Leeds was rammed, looked like a couple of hours queue for the train on to the finish as well.

Well chuffed that the north has put on a great show and so many are out there supporting.

230,000 in Leeds alone, madness
Christheclimber - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Pepper:

How is the race going. I can't log on to BBC but can log on to UKC!
Party Boy on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
> How is the race going. I can't log on to BBC but can log on to UKC!

11km to go, one big group.....

What about letour.com
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mbh - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Go Cav!
abr1966 - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to mbh:

Tjis will be tight!!
Tom V - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to mbh:
Cav's fault
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abr1966 - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Cav looks badly injured!
mbh - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Tom V:
Bad luck Cav, well done Yorkshire. Fantastic show. Hope he's OK.
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Darren Jackson - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to mbh:

Balls :-(
DaCat - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Fingers crossed he isn't out of the race.
malk - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to mbh:

seems to happen too often to be bad luck. hope the other riders are ok..
mbh - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to malk:

Of course we do. But Cav is class, and capable of winning, and if, in those last few moments, that I can't imagine, not really, he fails, I still cheer for him, and curse when he falls.
kevin stephens - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to mbh:

Looked like Cav caused the crash and pretty sure he's broken his collar bone
The New NickB - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to malk:

> seems to happen too often to be bad luck. hope the other riders are ok..

It's called being a sprinter.
andymac - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to stewieatb:

Jens Voight is The Master of the Universe.

In his spare moments,he races bikes.

Seocan - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

i read robert millers book once and i cant get into the tdf now, crowds looked great though, thats always good to see, but what does 'cote de' mean? is that a cycling or tdf thing?
Monk - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Seocan:

> but what does 'cote de' mean? is that a cycling or tdf thing?

It's the French for hill!
Christheclimber - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to kevin stephens:

Just watched the highlights looked like Cav was leaning and possibly caused the crash. He has not broken his collar bone but has ligament damage
Quiddity - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

on the web ITV is reporting that Cav is accepting responsibility for the crash and will call Gerrans to apologise.
mike123 - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
anybody know whether the itv tour programs will be on the itv "player", I ve never used it and can only find little 2/3 minute clips. Can I watch the full shows ?
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Quiddity - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to mike123:

You can get the highlights on ITV player, they usually appear the next day ie. tomorrow for highlights of today's stage.

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/tour-de-france
DaCat - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Seocan:

> i read robert millers book once and i cant get into the tdf now, crowds looked great though, thats always good to see, but what does 'cote de' mean? is that a cycling or tdf thing?

It means by the side or to the side of or next to.
mark s - on 05 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

i jumped out of my seat when spartacus made a break,really thought he could pull it off,shows what form he is in to stay ahead for as long as he did
Christheclimber - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Quiddity:

Anyone know if Cav is going to try and continue with TDF today?
Padraig on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

news on twitter is he HAS withdrawn :-(
Doug on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Padraig:

09h38 Mark Cavendish abandonne
http://www.letour.fr/le-tour/2014/fr/
andymac - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Go Froomey!


#i know it's not Über cool in the cycling playground to like the dastardly Christopher.But;

What the hell .I like the guy.
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woolsack - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I'd like to see some more of Spartacus belting away off of the front
the abmmc on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Anybody know how to use google earth to do a fly through of the stages? I'd be grateful if anyone could help me to do this.

Tom
abr1966 - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to the abmmc:

Nibali wins stage 2......great break with 1.5k to the finish....other big names marking and wat hing eachother. Another great day in Yorkshire...
tim000 - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

i think sky and tinkof will be happy with that . dont want the yellow jersey this early. ley astana tire themselves out for a few days.
Ramblin dave - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

It was interesting how little people were bothered by the GC there - I kind of expected Mr Nibbles to keep his head down to maximize his advantage, rather than sitting up to celebrate, and conversely expected Bertie and Froome to try to keep it together rather than worrying about the stage win. Meanwhile Sagan chucked it by trying to break away from a bunch of people who are basically better than him over distance but worse sprinters. Strange decision making all round. Bloody entertaining, though.
Christheclimber - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

Only just caught up on replay, been out cragging. Mr Nibbles in Yellow!
balmybaldwin - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Had a great day today on Holme Moss... fantastic atmosphere.

Good to see Nibbles in the lead for a bit...
Christheclimber - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

Looked brilliant on TV, great support throughout. It has been an overwhelming success bringing the TDF to Yorkshire.
Richard Carter - on 06 Jul 2014

As a tea fanatic I was so excited, I nearly exploded when I managed to get some promotional swag today! :-P

https://twitter.com/Monsieur_The/status/485891895361826816/photo/1
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altirando - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to Richard Carter:

But did anyone notice the confusion of Phil with the reservoirs? Surely the race route is along the Crowden reservoirs not the Derwent reservoirs used to try out the bouncing bomb?
The New NickB - on 06 Jul 2014
In reply to altirando:
It is easy to miss specific Liggett / Sherwen mistakes, they make so many!
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Tom V - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to altirando:

Even my wife noticed that while she was doing the ironing. Ahem.
Christheclimber - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

Who do you think will win todays stage?
Lord of Starkness - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to Richard Carter:

> ... I managed to get some promotional swag today!


Best I could manage was a Champion Systems Musette, Velochampion Drypac, and a packet of Haribo! I told the others that we shouldn't have gone so far up the the Cragg Vale Climb - the riders had got rid of most of the unwanted stuff from the feed zone by then!

Great day out nontheless, and I can now say I've ridden part of the TDF route 'on the day' .
Stig - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to Lord of Starkness:

You did well with the Haribo - they didn't seem to be handing it out with much frequency. I managed to get a YBS band and a frisbee for the boy. said boy (4 yrs) was quite underwhelmed by riding part of the course - despite getting cheered and allez'ed on the way up Woodhead. Brilliant day out!! The bike jam on the wood head coming back was amazing, with the crowds parting for 2 or 3 stragglers.
AlisonSmiles - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Let us all pray that every holder of the polka dot jersey refrains from wearing polka dot shorts. I have proper horror memories of last year.
Christheclimber - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
Marcel Kittel is going really well winning his second stage with Peter Sagan second.
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In reply to Ramblin dave:

I understand that Contador and Froome had arranged that little skirmish on the top of Jenkin Road "for the crowds".

A nice touch I thought.

Alan
Christheclimber - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

> Cav looks badly injured!

Cav is now out of the Commonwealth games, he is having surgery on Wednesday and will be out of action for six weeks. Shame.
wynaptomos - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Bet the Isle of Man team are gutted.....

Can't have many medal contenders I would imagine.
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abr1966 - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to wynaptomos:

Just watching highlights on eurosport.....who the hell would want to live in London when you vould live in yorkshire!
GrahamD - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

Superb crowds out along the way today as well. Just saw ITV's coverage of today's stage and its all bloody London !
Orgsm on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Yes highlights meant London. Hang on, lots if great crowds and scenery before that.

abr1966 - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

The other thing i thought watching the sprint was what a shame Cav wasn't there as nobody but Cav or Greipel (not sure where he was today) can compete with Kittel....on a wide road like that today it could have been a real contest betwen Cav and Kittel..
mark s - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

dont think cav can live with kittel anymore
Stig - on 07 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

I don't think anyone can? He didn't even look like he was properly sprinting.

This might be a bit premature but I fear the sprints aren't going to be very interesting this year.

Sagan doesn't look close (but, to be fair I think he is developing into more of an all rounder?)

Where is Greipel? Lotto seem to have done loads of work on both days and then dropped away at the end
Christheclimber - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

Cav is considering legal action against the Norwegian rider Alexander Kristoff who "claimed the fall looked deliberate"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/28203755
Liam M - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to wynaptomos:

> Bet the Isle of Man team are gutted.....

> Can't have many medal contenders I would imagine.

They seem to have managed well keeping the national road champion's jersey on the island for the last couple of years. I'm not sure what support he'll have but Kennaugh is still likely to be a potent force.
GrahamD - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I would have made it into the two page picture at the back of the Sun (it was on the counter of the bacon butty van - honest) this morning if some lycra clad oafs hadn't got in the way of the picture ! Lovely shot of the Peloton coming into Saffron Walden.

So is Froome out now?

Nasty crash and it sounds like he may be in a bad way.
Ramblin dave - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:
Still riding today, so not totally buggered - sounds like a potential dodgy wrist, though, which isn't ideal with the cobbles coming up.
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Hat Dude on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Alan James - UKC and UKH:

Copied from the Letour website live feed

Portal: "It's okay"

In an interview with France Télévisions, Team Sky directeur sportif Nicolas Portal had good news on Chris Froome, who fell towards the start of the stage: "It's okay, it's okay... We were scared out of our wits, like everyone else, but after talking with him, everything seems okay. He hit the tarmac hard, but everything's all right. We gave him a splint and, of course, we're taking things extra carefully now. I'm not superstitious, but this is one fall we could've done without."
The New NickB - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to wynaptomos:

> Bet the Isle of Man team are gutted.....

> Can't have many medal contenders I would imagine.

Even without Cav they have got the current British Road Race Champion who also happens to be a Team Pursuit World and Olympic Champion.
wynaptomos - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to The New NickB:

Yes of course, my mistake.....
Darren Jackson - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to wynaptomos:

Well, well Marcel...
Stig - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to The New NickB:

OK that was a pretty cool finish today...
Christheclimber - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Doh I've not seen the highlights yet, but another win for Mr Kittel, impressive.
Darren Jackson - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I refer you to the thread title :-)
Christheclimber - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

I know I wrote it, heard results on radio. Just watched the highlights. Not sure how Froome will stand up with his wrist to all the shake, rattle and roll tomorrow on the cobbles. Could be a fun day!
Ramblin dave - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

How pissed off is Wiggo going to be if Froome retires after stage 4?
abr1966 - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

Shouldn't have chucked his rattle out of the pram! ;-)
mark s - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

cav wouldnt live with kittel even if he was still in it.
balmybaldwin - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Thought it was quite a contrast in spectator numbers today. Made me even more proud of the support in the uk.

So cobbles tomorrow, and the forecast is heavy rain... predictions?

I think we may loose a contendor tomorrow, and if froome's wrist effects his bike handling I fear it maybe him.

Think i'll go for Spartacus for the stage win
biped - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

> cav wouldnt live with kittel even if he was still in it.

You don't think? All things being equal (lead out, etc) I reckon it would be pretty even, and I'd probably still put my money on an on-form Cav, but what do I know.
abr1966 - on 08 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

> You don't think? All things being equal (lead out, etc) I reckon it would be pretty even, and I'd probably still put my money on an on-form Cav, but what do I know.

Agreed!
Alun - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to abr1966:

> Agreed!

I disagree. I think Kittle is just too strong this year, and I think Cav's star is beginning to wane, a bit like Greipel's. But we'll never know.

Today's stage is going to be a complete lottery. I have carefully crafted my fantasy team to be full of in-form classics riders. Yet if it's raining I may as well have just picked names at random.

My only prediction is for froome to lose at least 2 minutes.
Darren Jackson - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Alun:

Is today the day when they hit the cobbles? The route runs through Roubaix, so I'm assuming that they do.
Mike Stretford - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:
Yeah.... if Froome gets through today with a dodgy wrist I'll forgive him all past misdemeanours.
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Mike Stretford - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber: Froome now has a matching scar on the his right hip, and they're not on the cobbles yet.

Stig - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Stretford:

Froome Is OUT!
SteveRi - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

Oof, looks like Sky need a Plan B!
woollardjt - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Bet they wish they kept wiggins in now
chrismcc - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:
Super... That confirms my suspicion that it wasn't exactly a stroke of genius including this stage at the start of a three week race
Hopefully won't lose more big contenders.......
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lummox - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to chrismcc:

Where's Wiggins then ?

Murdoch run team lose leader. Ho hum.
Ramblin dave - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to chrismcc:

He fell off well before the first section of cobbles, AIUI...
balmybaldwin - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to chrismcc:

Why not?

Its been done many times before and is always a success in terms of spectacle. Any old crash can take a rider out of the tour e.g. wiggo in 2011. This is supposed to beone of the hardest endurance events in the world.
Mike Highbury - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

> Froome Is OUT!

Looking forward to eight fingers held aloft
Stig - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to chrismcc:

I completely agree. I didn't fancy Froome/Sky's chances this year even without the pave. The other teams were getting to grips with the Sky approach even last year and with Contador back I didn't think he would have it all his way.

That said Froome's fall yesterday was unlucky but it's hard not to think he was out-psyched today. Would Wiggo have done better today? - doubt it on the evidence of last year's world champs.

That said Sky completely shot themselves in the foot from a PR point of view with the Wiggins debacle. Wiggo is a much bigger asset to the team IMO and Froome should have been forced to rein in his ego and allow Wiggins to support him, given that he had promised to do so.

Finally, what's with people complaining about the cobbles being in the tour? It's meant to be EPIC and it's fantastic to see things being shaken up like this. Going to be a fascinating day with Sagan, Cancellara, Nibbles and Contador in the mix!
Mike Highbury - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to woollardjt:

> Bet they wish they kept wiggins in now

Because he never fell off, did he?
Hephaestus - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to SteveRi:

> Oof, looks like Sky need a Plan B!

Richie Porte?
Going to be an stage now, whatever.
Re: including a cobbled stage - I think it's good. Whoever wins this won't just have the best team, the highest cadence, the best endurance. They'll also have to handle their bike better and be an all round rider.
Although I may be proved wrong - that depends on how many others come off on this stage!
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chrismcc - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

Yep.. Don't disagree - just introduced a large likelihood of not seeing the main battle take place... I love Paris roubaix, but always seem to watch it (as a tour stage ) agreeing with the riders and just wanting it to finish!
Anyhow... Has to be contador's to lose now? Has tallansky got a shout?
lummox - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to chrismcc:

This is nothing like Paris-Roubaix tho.. much shorter with far fewer pave sections. He didn't make it to the pave.
chrismcc - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to lummox:

Also a good point...... ;(
Lord of Starkness - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to lummox:

Cant help thinking Sky got their tactics wrong this year -- they should have been up near the front alongside Berie and Mr Nibbles teams -- they've been prominent by their ability to avoid crashes.
woollardjt - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

> Bet they wish they kept wiggins in now

Because he never fell off, did he?


Not the point I was making

they gambled on having only one potential contender and it failed
GrahamD - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:


> Froome should have been forced to rein in his ego and allow Wiggins to support him, given that he had promised to do so.

We don't know what Wiggo said to Brailsford in terms of supporting Froome. We don't know whether its one or two egos need to be reined in.
GrahamD - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to woollardjt:


> they gambled on having only one potential contender and it failed

As do most teams.
lummox - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

Let's hope for an interesting TDF, like the last couple of Vueltas, rather than a Sky snoozefest.
Stig - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

Fair points. I still don't think Froome should have shot his mouth off in his book though ;-)
tony on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to woollardjt:

> they gambled on having only one potential contender and it failed

How many teams have two potential winners?
Mike Highbury - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

> Fair points. I still don't think Froome should have shot his mouth off in his book though ;-)

Oh I do, it was howlingly funny.
lummox - on 09 Jul 2014
GrahamD - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

The book timing was interesting. I thought it was a very interesting read - you can see how there is a total clash of styles and egos there.

I'm not really sure the tour last year was the product of Sky snooze fest as the dominance of one rider on the mountains and the time trials.
woollardjt - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to tony:
If you have two riders in contention why put all your eggs in one basket by only putting one in the team

Plus when you had fignon and lemond on the same team the tour was far more interesting to watch


Post edited at 15:25
AlisonSmiles - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to SteveRi:

I rather think they have a plan B and a plan C.
GrahamD - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to woollardjt:

> If you have two riders in contention why put all your eggs in one basket by only putting one in the team

The operative word here is probably "team"
SteveRi - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to AlisonSmiles:

Of course, I was being a bit naughty :)
Springfield - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I think we all knew Brailsford should have gone with Wiggins.
wynaptomos - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Springfield:

> I think we all knew Brailsford should have gone with Wiggins.

Speak for yourself.....

I think Froome is a far better grand tour rider personally. At least at this stage of Wiggins career.
Hat Dude on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to wynaptomos:


> I think Froome is a far better grand tour rider personally.

Not today he ain't ! ;-(
wynaptomos - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Hat Dude:

> Not today he ain't ! ;-(

True:-)

Looks like Contador's going to lose a lot of time to Nibali today too - 1:50 down currently
malk - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:
>> they gambled on having only one potential contender and it failed
> As do most teams.

that's the problem i reckon. teams within teams would be better (ie big mistake to drop wiggo)
Post edited at 16:06
Skyfall - on 09 Jul 2014
I thought riders on the TdF were supposed to be tough. Pah.
Ramblin dave - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Boom!
malk - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

Boom who?
Bjartur i Sumarhus on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

Sports personality of the year show will be about 10 minutes long at this rate
Bob on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:
Contador loses 2:52 to Nibbles, Porte loses 2:15, Cancellara just 1:01

Obviously the question is: can Astana defend the yellow jersey for the remainder of the Tour? Usually the main GC contenders are happy for others to wear the Maillot Jaune until about the halfway stage.
Post edited at 16:22
Stig - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to chrismcc:



> Anyhow... Has to be contador's to lose now? Has tallansky got a shout?

Ooops. Wonderful ride for Boom today.
balmybaldwin - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Great stage today. Shame to see Froome out, but I fear the damage was done yesterday he didnt look at all happy on his bike today. I bet there'll be some interesting conversations at sky about team selection in the coming days, but will be good to see them get behind Richie Porte

Nibbles has kept the tour interesting with that time gap over contador. Great ride from him today.

Sagan showed another of his many strengths makes me wonder wether he will challenge for gc in the future if he can get his climbing better

andyathome - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to tony:

> How many teams have two potential winners?

Sky, two years ago?
wynaptomos - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to andyathome:

Question to all really. Do you think that geraint Thomas has the potential to be future GC contender?
balmybaldwin - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to wynaptomos:

Hes shown well in the white jersey comp a few times, so its quite possible, but needs to develop his climbing a bit more
Enty - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

> Why not?

> Its been done many times before and is always a success in terms of spectacle. Any old crash can take a rider out of the tour e.g. wiggo in 2011. This is supposed to beone of the hardest endurance events in the world.

Absolutely. Just watching the highlights - fantastic racing. Why anyone would want a stage like this taken out is beyond me. This is what it's all about.
A bit like comparing Germany and England in the World Cup. Those who really want it shine through ;-)

E
Enty - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

> Hes shown well in the white jersey comp a few times, so its quite possible, but needs to develop his climbing a bit more

G was ace just then talking to Matt Rendell - anyone would have though G was pleased Froome was out of it ;-)

E
Darren Jackson - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> G was ace just then talking to Matt Rendell - anyone would have though G was pleased Froome was out of it ;-)

Chapeau!

Enty - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Weird interview. He seemed so happy, "Great racing, awesome stuff" strange just 2 hours after your team leader had just pulled out?

E
Darren Jackson - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

I liked the "Get on my wheel..." comment.
paget - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

Think wiggo has done relatively ok in some of the classics in the past as opposed to floaty light froome. Definitely some finishes int top thirty ish. I would say a decent pedigree!

Stig - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to paget:
I was thinking of the world champs last year mainly when Wiggo was one of the first to drop out (I think).

(Which reminds me Nibali was bloody superb in that race)

But I agree Wiggo's overall record speaks for itself.

With the GT interview I just thought he was holding the party line but couldn't suppress his pleasure over the race. Who could with racing that exhilarating? Has there been much tittle tattle about tensions with Froome?

Not nice to see Froome down and out though...
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Enty - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

> I liked the "Get on my wheel..." comment.

We're still laughing at that here in the Veloventoux household. Not only that but he said "lets smash it"
He could've been sat in the bar in Mallorca with a bunch of punters like us and come out with the same comment - love it!

E
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danm - on 09 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

I've been a big fan of the G ever since he gave my Welsh buddies a thumbs up and grin on last years Vaison-Gap stage. He was leading the peleton up a short steep climb but as soon as he saw the dragon flag and capering idiots screaming his name he just lit up.
Epic Ebdon - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

Do you have a link to the interview?

Cheers!
woolsack - on 10 Jul 2014
lummox - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to woolsack:

Best bit of the day ? Boom being very happy with the weather : )
GrahamD - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to paget:

> Think wiggo has done relatively ok in some of the classics in the past as opposed to floaty light froome. Definitely some finishes int top thirty ish. I would say a decent pedigree!

Not renowned for going well in the wet though, is he ?
jethro kiernan - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

As a fellow welshman always had a soft spot for Gee, and he loves a hard race
GrahamD - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to malk:

> that's the problem i reckon. teams within teams would be better (ie big mistake to drop wiggo)

Don't forget that Porte was supposed to be Sky's GC rider for the Giro before he was ill.

Mike Stretford - on 10 Jul 2014
Mike Highbury - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Stretford: > "Non, je ne regrette rien"

It does sound as if the team will work for Porte with considerable enthusiasm and perhaps more than for the other two. Doesn't necessarily win a tour but fewer will bugger off to OPQS and OGE.


GrahamD - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Highbury:


> It does sound as if the team will work for Porte with considerable enthusiasm and perhaps more than for the other two. Doesn't necessarily win a tour but fewer will bugger off to OPQS and OGE.

There is big pressure off the team now. Whereas before they were expected to win - now anything they achieve as a team or individually is a bonus.

lummox - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

> There is big pressure off the team now. Whereas before they were expected to win -

really ? All the reading I've done suggested Froome was amongst the GC favourites, but with serious competition from Contador for a start.
Hat Dude on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Weird interview. He seemed so happy, "Great racing, awesome stuff" strange just 2 hours after your team leader had just pulled out?

I thought there could possibly be a couple of reasons for this

1 - G isn't Chris Froome's best mate.

2 - Sky pretty much knew beforehand that Froome wouldn't get through yesterday's stage
GrahamD - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to lummox:

I imagine they were expected to win by the Sky management team, wouldn't you ? and probably by the British public at large as well.
GrahamD - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Hat Dude:

> I thought there could possibly be a couple of reasons for this

> 1 - G isn't Chris Froome's best mate.

> 2 - Sky pretty much knew beforehand that Froome wouldn't get through yesterday's stage

more obvious to me would be 3) G was talking for himself and he enjoyed the stage.
lummox - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

sorry- thought we were talking about amongst cycling fans rather than the public at large.
PeterM - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Weird interview. He seemed so happy, "Great racing, awesome stuff" strange just 2 hours after your team leader had just pulled out?

- Didn't think it was that weird at all. I thought it was typical Sky - trying to put a very positive spin onto a very bad day.
GrahamD - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to lummox:

I'd imagine more pressure comes from sponsors and the team than the relatively few 'genuine' cycling fans.
the sheep - on 10 Jul 2014
paget - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

Gt had a malevolent look in his eye, whilst suppressing a smile me thinks, but he gets to be a bit more of a free spirit and maybe allowed to go for a stage? Which I'm sure he'll like, being a domestique is probably not his dream role.

And agreed about Froome.

:)


> I was thinking of the world champs last year mainly when Wiggo was one of the first to drop out (I think).

> (Which reminds me Nibali was bloody superb in that race)

> But I agree Wiggo's overall record speaks for itself.

> With the GT interview I just thought he was holding the party line but couldn't suppress his pleasure over the race. Who could with racing that exhilarating? Has there been much tittle tattle about tensions with Froome?

> Not nice to see Froome down and out though...

paget - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

Mmmmmmm, he came through the amateur ranks in the UK. So he'll have had fair grounding in drizzle! But no, agreed, not A Gilbert du lasselle mud plugged type!
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Enty - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to paget:

Anyway - my take on this is that froome and his girlfriend have spun it for the last few months making Wiggo out to be the bad guy. Now Froome's gone the team are buzzing.

Simple ;-)

Just need G and Wiggo to move on to another team with a bit of class and all will be well.

E
balmybaldwin - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Um... not sure about this, but im a bit concerned about the speed of the race this year.

Today, 194k in the pissing rain in 4h 11m (46.4kph av)
Yesterday, over wet cobbles, 152km was done in 3h18m (46kph av.)
Tuesday 163k in 3h 36m (46.5 av)

Is this normal? I know its not epo days fast but struck me as pretty high especially yesterday on the cobbles and mud.

Please tell me im just being paranoid and the tour is usually this quick in the first week
biped - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:


> Just need G and Wiggo to move on to another team with a bit of class and all will be well.

Dream team, and I can't think of any other cyclists I'd rather go out on the lash with :o)
Enty - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

The last two days have had 20kmh + winds in the exact same direction of the race? Maybe?

E
Cmonuirons - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

Speed is always high with every team trying to get their leader (or potential stage winner) onto the cobbled sections in the leading group because the race always splits in these situations, more so with rain and wind added to the mix.

balmybaldwin - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

Has it been a tail wind then? I know the wind was fierce today when they split the bunch
woolsack - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

Tail wind yesterday
balmybaldwin - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Cmonuirons:

True, but thought the conditions would slow them down with all the braking for corners and having to re-accelerate.

As I said, its only a niggle, and I hope im wrong.
Cmonuirons - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

Yes you're right but very little time is spent cornering compared to going flat-out so doesn't affect ave speed that much.

Also got to consider that early in the race there's very little time difference between the yellow jersey and the rest so it's harder for breaks to stay away - the peleton will always chase them down compared to later in the race when the yellow may have more of a cushion over the rest - naturally makes the racing faster over the first week.

I hope/believe that the vast majority of riders are now clean and you'll probably see riders paying for their efforts later in the race and not riding with the same testosterone-enhanced magical powers of recovery of years gone by.
kevin stephens - on 10 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Marginal gains - skin suits instead of normal shots and jersey, not the best choice for rain and pave?
Alun - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Just need G and Wiggo to move on to another team with a bit of class and all will be well.

Agreed. Wiggo needs the freedom to be out of Froome's shadow, and G needs a team which encouranges him to "smash it" as often as possible. Orica Greenedge or Garmin being the obvious options, given that both teams seem to appreciate such riding (aka actually, y'know, enjoy this bike riding lark).

I loved the sight of him (G) pinning it on the cobbles in the pissing rain, and dragging a slightly uncertain Porte behind him, leaving Contador in their dust (or mud). Made me proud to be Welsh!
GrahamD - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Anyway - my take on this is that froome and his girlfriend have spun it for the last few months making Wiggo out to be the bad guy. Now Froome's gone the team are buzzing.

> Just need G and Wiggo to move on to another team with a bit of class and all will be well.


Not a big fan of Brailsford's 'total professionalism' man management and tactical approach, then ?
Christheclimber - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> The last two days have had 20kmh + winds in the exact same direction of the race? Maybe?

Do you know what the conditions are today for the Épernay/Nancy stage?

Liam M - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

> Do you know what the conditions are today for the Épernay/Nancy stage?

It looks like they'll have a cross - tail wind for most of the day, though of fairly low strength.
Stig - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Liam M:

That looked like a Sky rider down very hard there at the end??
Christheclimber - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:
Photo finish. Trentin just ahead of Sagan.
Post edited at 16:16
Stig - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Didn't think Sagan got it.
Christheclimber - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:
Did Sagan go too early trying to break away?
Post edited at 16:17
Christheclimber - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:
I think it was Talansky who fell on final sprint?
Post edited at 16:24
Stig - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I meant the two or three who went down at the corner. Talansky seemed to fall pretty hard on his shoulder!
malk - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

no. should have given a dead heat. was the photo finish camera exactly in line?
tim000 - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

good move by porte going off the front just before the bad corner where there was a big crash. quick thinking to stay out of trouble.
balmybaldwin - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

What is with all the pre-stage pressure heaped onto sagan today in the interview by the itv team? Quite uncalled for I thought...

Alun - on 11 Jul 2014
In reply to tim000:

> good move by porte going off the front just before the bad corner where there was a big crash. quick thinking to stay out of trouble.

I was also impressed by that. And it paid off, given that there was a crash.
balmybaldwin - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
Looks like it's going to be rather atmospheric today. plenty of rain about, and low mist... A day for Nibbles to stretch the lead a bit on the descents?
Post edited at 15:32
balmybaldwin - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
Saxo/Tinkoff seem to have taken up the Sky tactics of running a train at the front of the YJ group on the climbs... was hoping it would break up a little more today - ah-well, still a climb to go.

Must feel good for Richie P not to have to lead the peleton up the climbs for once!
Post edited at 16:27
Chris the Tall - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

A week in and the race is shaping up to be a classic. Can't remember many more interesting opening weeks in recent years. Just a pity that Cav and Froome couldn't stay upright.

Did Thomas crash today ?
andy - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:


> Did Thomas crash today ?

yep.
balmybaldwin - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

yep... he fell with talanksy (who's not had a good week!) a little before the final climb and couldn't get back on
Chris the Tall - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Have just discovered that, having watched stage 2, I came back down the A61 a second faster than Niki Terpstra ! Ok he was near the back of that stage, but he had a good day today and did win Paris Roubaix this year
Kipper - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> A week in and the race is shaping up to be a classic.

Really? Isn't the winner already decided, barring accident?

balmybaldwin - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Kipper:

> Really? Isn't the winner already decided, barring accident?

Not yet... Nibbles has a good lead and shouldn't be written off

On another note Froome has fractures: http://road.cc/content/news/123439-fractures-both-hands-chris-froome
Sir Chasm - on 12 Jul 2014
In reply to Kipper:

> Really? Isn't the winner already decided, barring accident?

Go on then...
Chris the Tall - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Kipper:

> Really? Isn't the winner already decided, barring accident?

No.

Bertie may still be the favourite, but that is based primarily on his form leading up to the race, rather than anything he has done on it. He won't win by taking 3 seconds per stage. And during last years race we expected him to suddenly burst away and he never did.

I wouldn't rule Valverde out either - he's just won the Spanish TT. Also Porte is still in contention and looking good - just have reservations about how he'll last

Expect more GC action on Monday. Yes I'd expect Contador to take a bigger chunk, but the question is how much. Which is why I think it's building up nicely
biped - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Pretty much my thoughts, plus Nibbles has lost a bit of weight of late, he may have some more staying power on the long climbs, and he may also be peaking at the perfect moment.
Chris the Tall - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Looks like we might see a Frenchman in yellow on Bastille day. Canny move by Astana to take the pressure off for a couple of days, or a sign of weakness ?
Alun - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Canny, very canny.

The question whether Contador will get his minions to lay it on thick on the cat 1 coming up. Which they may do, just to keep pressure on.
woolsack - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Tony Martin, totally awesome!
Chris the Tall - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Alun:

> Canny, very canny.

That's the received wisdom but I can't see it making that much difference. What are Astana going to do tomorrow if Bertie, Porte or Valverde attacks - wait for Lotto to act ? A couple of minutes hesitation and sharp glances and the guys got away.
Alun - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

You're right, now I think about it. Tomorrow they still have to control the race. They should have lost it a couple of days ago!
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Liam M - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall: They'll have to police the riders you note that are still the most likely podium candidates, but I guess they're hoping by giving other riders a sniff of top 5 positions they may provide some support marking each other out.

Lotto (for Gallopin) and Europcar (for Rolland) may assist in controlling the early pace and who gets away because they now have something to potentially lose. Astana can concentrate on watching Tinkhoff, Sky and Movistar whilst remaining a more anonymous position until the racing really kicks off properly later on.

Of course I'm speculating and they may have made an error of judgement.
Chris the Tall - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Liam M:

> Lotto (for Gallopin) and Europcar (for Rolland) may assist in controlling the early pace and who gets away because they now have something to potentially lose.

I guess that's a good point - they get help in the pace setting, assuming that is that the teams want the same pace. And I suppose that will force Tixo saxoff to set a pace themselves and burn people off that way rather than via a solo attack by Bertie. And of course there's just a chance that galloping or Rolland will get a dose of Bastille fever and end the day in yellow.

> Of course I'm speculating

That's all any of us can do - it's the possibilities that make it so interesting

mark s - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

> True, but thought the conditions would slow them down with all the braking for corners and having to re-accelerate.

> As I said, its only a niggle, and I hope im wrong.

yeah you wrong,drugs dont make that much difference,plus all of the teams wouldnt have decided 2014 is the year we dose up like worlds strongest men competitors
mark s - on 13 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

tony martin was superb.he deserved the stage after the vuelta when he nearly did it solo.
Christheclimber - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:


Only saw the highlights; I agree Tony Martin was brilliant. It should be interesting today in the mountains.
Christheclimber - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

Conditions not so good today rainy and misty so far
Doug on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
Contador's fallen ...

well he's back on his bike but must have lost some time
Post edited at 14:27
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Doug:

Lost 4 mins and doesn't look good. Peloton riding piano to wait for him, but in doing so Kwiatowski is up front and in virtual lead. And he's far more of a GC contender than gallopin
lummox - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

supposedly a frame failure ???
lynda - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Doug:

reports that his frame snapped on the BBC live feed
lynda - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to lummox:

snap!
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to lummox:

Great advert for Specialized, who's ruthless pursuit of trademark infringements (Cafe Roubaix) is justified by stories of fake frames snapping
Ramblin dave - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Ha!

Can anyone explain who ought to be sitting up and waiting for who at the moment? I know the general principle is to sit up and wait for a GC competitor if they have a mechanical - does that apply here? Should the lead group be waiting as well as the peleton? All seems a bit confused...
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Bertie abandons
Doug on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

looks like Contador's abandoned the race
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

It was quite early in the stage, so the peloton hadn't started racing in earnest. Would have been interesting to see how long they would have delayed for, they were already starting to pull away.

Going to be a cracking Vuelta - Quintana, Froome, wiggins, Bertie, Rodriquez, Horner
Sir Chasm - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Doug:

> looks like Contador's abandoned the race

That's a shame, I wanted to see Nibali beat the doping cheat in the hills.
wynaptomos - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Doug:

Wow - all set up for Nibali now then......
Bob on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to wynaptomos:

It appears from reports that his frame snapped but it's not clear if that was the cause of his crash or as a result of it.
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Another incredible ride by Tony Martin today, but even though it's unlikely I'd like to see Gallopin stay in yellow

No particular reason - http://www.milanofixed.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/marion.jpg
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Mike Highbury - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> It was quite early in the stage, so the peloton hadn't started racing in earnest. Would have been interesting to see how long they would have delayed for, they were already starting to pull away.

> Going to be a cracking Vuelta - Quintana, Froome, wiggins, Bertie, Rodriquez, Horner

Horner? Not yet.
galpinos - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

I was a bit baffled as to why she is a podium girl as well as a rider? It it that badly paid being a female cyclist? Does she really want to do it?
Bob on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob:

The BBC are reporting that the crash happened on a climb not a descent.
Enty - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Highbury:

Apparently Froome has just tweeted comiserations to Contador and see you at the Vuelta......

He really is a knob isn't he?

E
Bob on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

Quote from BBC site:

"The word coming in over the Tour radio is that Alberto Contador's crash might have been caused by a bike falling from the roof of one of his team cars after Tinkoff-Saxo changed a wheel for support man Nicolas Roche."
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to galpinos:

> I was a bit baffled as to why she is a podium girl as well as a rider? It it that badly paid being a female cyclist? Does she really want to do it?

Very poorly paid, often poorly organised as well, and woefully under-reported (three successive wins for Emma Pooley at the Giro Rosa didn't get much of a mention. Rousse is working on Eurosport and on the judging panel for the combativity award, which is why she was presenting the award .
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

Harsh - the tweet seemed like genuine commiserations to me
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Highbury:

> Horner? Not yet.

Horner and Rodriguez both riding the tour for fitness following injuries. Mind you Horner isn't that far down the GC
Enty - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Im talking about his assumption that he's going to The Vuelta.

E
The New NickB - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

You might want to read what he wrote:

Big loss for the TDF today. Recover well @albertocontador & hope to see you at the Vuelta
Mike Highbury - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to The New NickB:

> You might want to read what he wrote:

> Big loss for the TDF today. Recover well @albertocontador & hope to see you at the Vuelta

And to hell with everyone else, 'specially those who want to ride it as preparation for the Worlds.
Enty - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to The New NickB:

Yep. Tosser.

E
Mike Highbury - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Yep. Tosser.

> E

And back to the racing, magnificent.
Enty - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Highbury:

Awesome.

E
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

Great win for Mr Sheffield !
Bob Hughes - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

I'm not necessarily Froome's greatest fan but I can't see what's wrong with that tweet. Other than being the normal sanitized robot banality.
Mike Stretford - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob Hughes: There's no standing back for some... you're either with Cath or Michelle!

Enty - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob Hughes:

> I'm not necessarily Froome's greatest fan but I can't see what's wrong with that tweet. Other than being the normal sanitized robot banality.

I read it as froome's already picked the Vuelta team ;-)

E
Mike Highbury - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Stretford:

> There's no standing back for some... you're either with Cath or Michelle!

Err, excuse me, it's not an exercise in nationalism for all of us.

And I can bet that Macarena doesn't tweet.
GrahamD - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> He really is a knob isn't he?

> E

No.
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TomPollock - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

You never seem to miss an opportunity to have a go at Froome. You seem obsessed with interpreting everything he says or does in a bad light. I respect your cycling knowledge but your continued criticism of Froome is biased and predictable.

Tom
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Contador apparently has a broken tibia. Pretty incredible that he got back on his bike for 15 minutes and even overtook a bunch of riders. Cue comparisons with footballers.....
Doug on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:
Any 'official' reason why he crashed ? I've read several explanations, from his frame breaking, a bike falling from a team car & problems with his shoes but all seem a bit odd
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Doug:

Fulsang:

https://twitter.com/mrconde/status/488725891221307393

Apparently the bike that broke was a spare that fell off the team car, nothing to do with the crash - but still not a great advert for Spez
Enty - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to TomPollock:

> your continued criticism of Froome is biased and predictable.

> Tom

It always will be I think. I'll never forgive him for La Toussuire. Even though I'm still 100% convinced Wiggins would still have won that tour Froome tainted (ever so slightly) the greatest ever sporting achievment in my lifetime.
Now I have to answer the same question day in day out - could Froome really have won?
Also the timing of his book and the way the Sky team selection panned out.
G's attitude after stage 5 spoke volumes.

Then there's his classless robotic riding style - but that's just being personal ;-)

I can't stand him.

E
ClimberEd - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

+ one

Although I will give him his due for getting good while growing up in Africa, that requires balls.
biped - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Even though I'm still 100% convinced Wiggins would still have won that tour Froome tainted (ever so slightly) the greatest ever sporting achievment in my lifetime.


This. I get sick to the back teeth of people saying Wiggins only won it because of Froome and that time trialists couldn't generally win the tour. 1. Wiggins is so much more than just a time trialllist, 2. anyone heard of Miguel Indurain?

> Also the timing of his book and the way the Sky team selection panned out.

And this.

> G's attitude after stage 5 spoke volumes.

and this too. :o)

> Then there's his classless robotic riding style - but that's just being personal ;-)

not to mention his habit of falling off. I wanted to like him after his podium speech last year, but have spectacularly gone off him and team Sky (not the riders) in general, though lets not take away from Dave B what he's done for brit cycling.
Jim Hamilton - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

Funny how people have different perspectives on these things – I thought Thomas was suitably gracious about Froome, but buzzing after riding away from Contador. I’m sure they’re all ambitious/mercenary and pleased when opportunity arises. Has there been much wailing and gnashing of teeth over Cavendish in the OPQ team ? Was Thomas criticised for crashing not so long ago?

biped - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Jim Hamilton:
> Funny how people have different perspectives on these things – I thought Thomas was suitably gracious about Froome, but buzzing after riding away from Contador.

I thought the same, but you'd never have guessed that a wheel had just come off his team going by the upbeat vibe. I actually thought that at some point he caught himself being a bit too cheerful while Froome's retirement was being discussed.

I'm sure all teams have their tensions and conflicts, but not necessarily all at the heart of the team. Could be wrong of course. One thing about riders being mercenary, I reckon that once into a team the vast bulk of riders will bottle up their ambition and belief and do the job they signed up for, which Froome barely did in 2012 and only with a massive teenage grudge about it.

Post edited at 20:47
kevin stephens - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

So is the Vuelta going to be the TdF that never was with Contador, Froome and/or Wiggins? Is it conceivable that Sky could put Brad and Chris in the same team?
andymac - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to kevin stephens:

> So is the Vuelta going to be the TdF that never was with Contador, Froome and/or Wiggins? Is it conceivable that Sky could put Brad and Chris in the same team?

If they have a manager who is going to show a bit of authority ,and backbone;

Why not.

They should be on the same team.as they are in the same team.
Chris the Tall - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

"Everyone hears what they want to hear and disregards the rest"

I thought Thomas was simply spinning the party line, well rehearsed. They knew on Tuesday night that Froome was unlikely to survive the stage so Plan B would come into play. Notice how little time Porte and Thomas lost that day, compared to Roche and Rodgers today.

Whilst I much prefer wiggins to Froome, I think Froome is more popular amongst his team mates, and that Wiggins is difficult to be with for three weeks. But both have huge egos and are selfish - you don't win the TDF without such qualities. And Thomas's glee was probably more to do with the fact that he'd got through a stage without crashing !
wbo - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:
Nah, the bike had Contadors number on it, so. It would be odd to put that on a broken frame. Spesialized have changed tune on this a few times already.

He hit a pothole, and it has ban said his hands slipped then. Whether the pothole, or a team car broke the frame is another q
kevin stephens - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to wbo:

It may be hard to find the truth with heavy news management by a major sponsor
mark s - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to wbo:

nibali has said he came past them on a descent in the wet,hit a pot hole and went over the bars at 60kmh
biped - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

a pothole or an object in the road, and the team are saying they dropped a bike off the car by accident which is where the cracked frame story has came from. If I were Specialized, I'd want the dropped from the car story to be believed, and in the absence of any better evidence, I do.
Bob on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

Did anyone see Sagan as he crossed the finish line today? Pulled a wheelie (which he's done before when crossing the line) but then kept the wheelie going no handed! It was a WTF moment, I had to do a rewind on the PVR to make sure I'd seen it.
biped - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob:

Yeh, I saw it, cool as :o)
Bob on 14 Jul 2014
Lord of Starkness - on 14 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

> This. I get sick to the back teeth of people saying Wiggins only won it because of Froome and that time trialists couldn't generally win the tour. 1. Wiggins is so much more than just a time trialllist, 2. anyone heard of Miguel Indurain?

or Jacques Anquetil -- he was almost unbeatable in time trials. He won the Tour five times, the Giro twice and the Vuelta once - picking up 23 stage wins along the way - not all of which were time trials. Add to that numerous other stage race wins, one day classics, and multiple wins of the GP des Nations Time Trial in the days before there was a Worlds TT title - and the small matter of the Hour Record. Many though his record would be unsurpassed until Mercx arrived on the scene.

Most great Grand Tour winners have had the ability to ride great time trials - and some great time triallists have developed in to Grand Tour winners. It will be interesting to see how Tony Martin develops if he can manage to shed a bit more weight 'a la Wiggo' without sacrificing too much power. At 29 he's approaching the peak age for Grand Tour riders.
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Darren Jackson - on 14 Jul 2014
mark s - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob:

i do like sagan,total opposite to froome.he is interesting and unpredictable.
Christheclimber - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

Another one bites the dust. Fabian Cancellara has withdrawn.
The New NickB - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

> Another one bites the dust. Fabian Cancellara has withdrawn.

Not exactly a surprise that one!
Christheclimber - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to Darren Jackson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djlca0gftI4

Thanks Darren that is absolutely hilarious!
kevin stephens - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

So did contador snap his frame or was it another bike that fell off a team car as Specialized are claiming?
The New NickB - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to kevin stephens:

I thought they were claiming it happened when they drove in to the Belkin car.
kevin stephens - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Storey seems to change but broken bike had Conti's number on it. I didn't think spare bikes were numbered?
tim000 - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to kevin stephens:
team car got tangled up with another car (belkin i think) trying to get to contador after he crashed. bike got ripped in two . just showed it on ITV highlights.
Post edited at 20:57
jonathan shepherd - on 15 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber: Yep, that's the funniest Hitler video i've seen as well.


ablackett - on 16 Jul 2014
Toby_W on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to ablackett:

Did you see the picture of his shoe, yikes, 60kph down the road really does a lot of damage, no wonder he had to change them only having half a cleat and sole.

Toby

dale1968 - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to Toby_W:

Seems he has broken his Tibia..
The New NickB - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Great stuff from Gallopin today!
Stig - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to The New NickB:

Why am I suspicious? (can't help it, very sad to say it, and I hate the conspiracy idiots). But...
Chris the Tall - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to The New NickB:

> Great stuff from Gallopin today!

Indeed, but where was Marion Rousse today ?
Chris the Tall - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

Why are you suspicious ? Classic move from a small break, with the others hesitating and hoping that someone else will pull him back, all worried about handing it to Sagan
Stig - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Yeah, admittedly that was before I realised members of the break had sat up/refused to work with Sagan. But he had a mega day on Sunday, was destroyed on Monday, and then like I say he seemed to ride away strong from a lot of strong riders. I'm probably wrong.
Christheclimber - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Talansky looked in a bad way with back pain.
Enty - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> Why are you suspicious ? Classic move from a small break, with the others hesitating and hoping that someone else will pull him back, all worried about handing it to Sagan

Yep - perfect counter attack which left that small bunch all looking at eachother waiting for someone to chase but not wanting to lead Sagan up for an inevitable victory.
The move wasn't even clever - schoolboy stuff.

E
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Enty - on 16 Jul 2014
In reply to Stig:

I get your point - I was thinking the same about Tony Martin at one point today.

E
Hat Dude on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Bit of a deviation from the main thread but I'm sure a lot of you will be interested in this news, especially anyone who's done the Etape du Dales or the Brian Robinson Challenge

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-28339481

Best wishes to Brian for a speedy recovery

link - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

I think Tony Martins contract is yet to be renewed which would explain his heroics. The fact he completely blows up after his efforts makes him look human to me.
Chris the Tall - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Hat Dude:

Have heard him talking about his first win a couple of times in the last week. He finished second when his rival blocked him into the barriers on both sides of the road. He accepted the result but the team manager appealed and the result was overruled. Sounds like a great character.
Chris the Tall - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Will Froome and Wiggins be this friendly in 30 years time ?

https://twitter.com/ESPCyclingQueen/status/489686917714563074/photo/1

Though I think Lemond should be wary of the fact that Hinault is hiding a fist behind his hat !

Meanwhile Talansky is out - no suprise
Mike Highbury - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Hat Dude:
> Best wishes to Brian for a speedy recovery

It's a TdeF thread, I hope that we've all heard of him.
Hat Dude on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Highbury:

> It's a TdeF thread, I hope that we've all heard of him.

Probably not all of us but he does have a bit of a TdF connection

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Robinson_%28cyclist%29
John W - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

The question from the OP...


"Do you think it is a two horse race this year between Froome and Contador?"


If any more of the top boys climb off, it'll have all on be a one horse race.

JW

Post edited at 13:31
nrhardy - on 17 Jul 2014
Phil Liggott commentating on the breakaway rider Simon Clarke, "Well, he's known as Clarkie to all his mates on the team. The Australian's are the masters of nicknames."
Legend.
Hat Dude on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Sagan misses out again, he'll be a happy boy tonight!
malk - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Hat Dude:

still the star of the show..
captain paranoia - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Hat Dude:

Bugger. He was on ITV4's coverage on the rest day.

http://www.itv.com/tourdefrance/features/video-rest-days

Hope he recovers quickly.
Chris the Tall - on 17 Jul 2014
In reply to Hat Dude:

> Sagan misses out again, he'll be a happy boy tonight!

I'm sure he'll be telling the podium girls how he always comes second.....
DefenderKen on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

love it!
biped - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to DefenderKen:

I loved Sylvan Chavanel's reaction to his spat with Andre Greipel yesterday. "He said it was my fault, I'm not going to drop my trousers for him." <very gallic shrug.>

Awesome.

Good wee interview with Hinault on the ITV4 highlights last night too re his accident before finishing at St Etienne. "I broke my nose and had a hole in my head, but, that's cycling." <very gallic shrug>
Chris the Tall - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

> Good wee interview with Hinault on the ITV4 highlights last night too re his accident before finishing at St Etienne. "I broke my nose and had a hole in my head, but, that's cycling." <very gallic shrug>

If you get chance, watch "Slaying the Badger". Hinault was meant to be the bad guy in the film, re Greg Lemond. but his charm and his character won you over.
biped - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Any links to where I might see the film? I had a search but couldn't find anything. Would love to see it, Hinault was a god to me when he was so obviously The Man In Charge of the tour.
Chris the Tall - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

It was shown - possibly premiered - at Sheffield Doc Fest last month, but not sure about a general release.
The author Richard Moore is on twitter - https://twitter.com/richardmoore73
- looks like is on ESPN
Bob Hughes - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

I'm reading the book at the moment. So far a bit of a disappointment - I think he could have done with a better editor. There's a lot of rambling, a bit of repetition and a lot of cliche.
GrahamD - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

> "He said it was my fault, I'm not going to drop my trousers for him." <very gallic shrug.>

> Awesome.

That's awesome ? sounds more like a playground retort to me.

Was there a conclusion as to whether anyone was at fault or was it just a 50/50 ?

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Enty - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

FFs!

E
Enty - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

This is going to be good now.

E
biped - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:
> That's awesome ? sounds more like a playground retort to me.

Oh dear...;o)

> Was there a conclusion as to whether anyone was at fault or was it just a 50/50 ?

Dunno. Greipel certainly has strong views on it, though he was well forward and missed out on a sprint finish as a result so not surprising.
Post edited at 17:05
Bob Hughes - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

oh c*ck, I've successfully avoided seeing the result all day and on auto-pilot I just checked facebook on auto-pilot and saw the winner.
mark s - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

i doubt froome could stick with nibali if he hadnt crashed out.the man is on fire
GrahamD - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

Hard to know. No one could stick with Froome on Ventoux last year either.

Looks like its going to be even more of a procession to Paris now than even 2012 or 2013
Kipper - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Kipper:

> Really? Isn't the winner already decided, barring accident?

I'm still sticking by this....
biped - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

> Hard to know. No one could stick with Froome on Ventoux last year either.

Nor on Alp d'Huez after he'd had a cheeky energy gel.
Chris the Tall - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Kipper:

> I'm still sticking by this....

I was wondering when you'd reappear ! Nice try.

I'll point out that I ridiculed the notion of the notion of Porte as plan B before the race started. He's had a poor season, so the chance of him getting through three weeks without a bad day was slim at best. Didn't expect him to be quite as hopeless as that.

Admittedly Nibbles hasn't done much this season either. Though.i guess he was simply aiming to peak at the right time.
Christheclimber - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

> the man is on fire

Nibali was excellent again, is it now a foregone conclusion?

wbo - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
This is a bit harsh, but I wonder where this leaves Richie Porte as a future GC candidate ? He had a pretty spectacular blow last year, now today?
Kipper - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> I was wondering when you'd reappear ! Nice try.

But it seemed obvious (from my no cycling knowledge viewpoint) that Nibali was just toying with Contador while he was still around?

Anyway; my money is still stuck on the bloke currently 2nd (on your suggestion I think :-)).

Enty - on 18 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

>

> Looks like its going to be even more of a procession to Paris now than even 2012 or 2013

Yep - for all those people who said Brad's win was a snore fest - well you got one now!!!

E
Liam M - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty: Nibali seems much more reticent to just defend though, and is appearing to attack almost out of an impression that he must - whether it's the optimal tactic or not.

The white jersey fight between the future of French cycling is looking tasty though.
Chris the Tall - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Another great Sagan video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYP14j993uQ
malk - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

great skills. compare with these wannabes..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PUj1eWfHmI
DaCat - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Today they are cycling through my home territory. Riding these famous cols gives you a true sense of suffering. The Col d'Izoard is particularly brutal.

Very hot but storms forecast for later.

For any of you climbers watching today, look at the rock, its magnificent ;)
Minneconjou Sioux - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

I think we can now agree that Sky is done on this tour. I can't see anyone on the team winning a stage and I suspect there won't even be a top ten finish by the end.
Doug on 19 Jul 2014
Did Nibali leave it to late to 'sprint' for the end ? wonder if he would have won the stage if he'd gone a few minutes earlier.

And great to see the aerial shots of the Queyras, pity I won't get there this summer.

Mike Highbury - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> Another great Sagan video


Yep, good to see that he is making fun of his sleazy reputation. Just like Suarez last Summer, in fact.

More to the point, how long before Nibali gets popped?
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Minneconjou Sioux - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Highbury:


>> More to the point, how long before Nibali gets popped?

Eh?
Enty - on 19 Jul 2014
In reply to Doug:

> Did Nibali leave it to late to 'sprint' for the end ? wonder if he would have won the stage if he'd gone a few minutes earlier.

>

I think Nibali showed a bit of class there. I'm 100% positive he could've won the stage but knowing he was going to get at least 4 minutes on Valverde who he he now knows he can drop at any time - what would be the point of pinching a stage off a rookie like Majka? It would be like pinching a kid's Christmas presents on Christmas Eve.

E

altirando - on 20 Jul 2014
In reply to DaCat:

Yeah, love that area Hautes-Alpes, Briancon down to Gap, although it is quite stark in places. Can't understand why more British walkers, as opposed to climbers, don't holiday there, weather so much better than up near Chamonix. Hope to be there myself soon, looking for a base to buy.
DaCat - on 20 Jul 2014
In reply to altirando:

Getting here is too much trouble for many. Its a long drive from the UK. Its such a shame though because its stunningly beautiful and the air is so clean.

We get lots of kayakers, cyclists and climbers in the summer but very few walkers.

I hope you find a nice place here :)
Christheclimber - on 20 Jul 2014
In reply to DaCat:

Felt sorry for Bauer and Elmiger today. Bauer caught virtually at the line. Weather looked pants in France today.
altirando - on 20 Jul 2014
In reply to DaCat:

Trouble is the prices have been pushed up, even a small studio is 90k in somewhere like Embrun. I will be having another look next month. But yes, it is two long days on the road from Calais.
GrahamD - on 21 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

> Felt sorry for Bauer and Elmiger today. Bauer caught virtually at the line.

Everyone did. Can't help feeling they started playing cat and mouse a bit near the end which cost them both.

rousse - on 21 Jul 2014
In reply to DaCat:

You're so lucky to live there - we spent 10 days in Vallouise last Sept, had a brilliant time. Did the Bouclé D'Izoard (northwards direction). I was *not* in shape and it nearly broke me. Worth it for the amazing food at the little auberge down from the summit though.
JamButty - on 21 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:
> (In reply to Christheclimber)
>
> [...]
>
> Everyone did. Can't help feeling they started playing cat and mouse a bit near the end which cost them both.

Yep I was thinking that too, they didn't seem as connected in the last few km. Probably why Bauer was really gutted.

Andy Say - on 21 Jul 2014
Christheclimber - on 21 Jul 2014
In reply to GrahamD:

Yep you are probably right about the cat and mouse tactics. Stage 16 Carcassonne / Bagnères-de-Luchon tomorrow, steep finish.
DaCat - on 21 Jul 2014
In reply to rousse:

> You're so lucky to live there - we spent 10 days in Vallouise last Sept, had a brilliant time. Did the Bouclé D'Izoard (northwards direction). I was *not* in shape and it nearly broke me. Worth it for the amazing food at the little auberge down from the summit though.

Did you meet the local wolf dog in Vallouise? All the villagers feed him. He's an incredible animal.

DaCat - on 21 Jul 2014
In reply to altirando:

> Trouble is the prices have been pushed up, even a small studio is 90k in somewhere like Embrun. I will be having another look next month. But yes, it is two long days on the road from Calais.

The prices have gone up ridiculously high because so many people have purchased accommodation for holiday lets. There isn't enough holiday makers to fill them though, so most stand empty.


andy - on 22 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
Popped into Carcassonne this morning to watch the start - people are far less angsty than they were in Yorkshire about road closures etc - the bus was a bit late and took a different rout: "c'est le tour...".

Skipton locals may have spotted that our favourite Embsay anti-cyclist councillor has just been banned for drink driving - could explain all those wing mirrors being knocked off...

Seems Sky have given up on Porte - G took about 4 minutes out of him today and is now top Sky rider on GC in about 16th. Be nice if he could get a wee bit further up the standings.
Tall Clare - on 22 Jul 2014
In reply to andy:


> Skipton locals may have spotted that our favourite Embsay anti-cyclist councillor has just been banned for drink driving - could explain all those wing mirrors being knocked off...

Marvellous - must tell Mr TC :-)


rousse - on 22 Jul 2014
In reply to DaCat:

Is that the massive beast hanging around outside the bakery in the little square? If so, then yes, pretty much every day! Didn't realise he was a wolf dog though.

Great place, will definitely be back...
Bob Hughes - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

looks like Bertie's going to miss the Vuelta as well. Real shame.
Chris the Tall - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Good article here http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/idINKBN0FQ1UC20140721?irpc=932 on why Nibbles is getting an easy ride from journos over doping, despite the dodgy history of his team, and in particular his DS.

I think the fact that there are so many French riders in the top 10 is a big factor
Chris the Tall - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to andy:

> Seems Sky have given up on Porte - G took about 4 minutes out of him today and is now top Sky rider on GC in about 16th. Be nice if he could get a wee bit further up the standings.

Team in complete disarray - unlike Tinko-Saxoff who've recovered to take a couple of stages. Big shame for G that he had to give up his chances on stage 5 to rescue Porte and has been on domestique duties almost every day since. And yet he could still be only the 5th (?) Brit to finish in the top 20 !
andyr - on 23 Jul 2014
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Paul249 - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

I was interested to hear Presenter Gary Imlach on the itv4 'highlights' show on Monday being cynical about anything Vinokourov said. He was also incredulous about a foreign Tv station (think he said French) employing someone previously involved in doping, as part of their Tour De France coverage for next year.

And yet ITV4 have used David Millar in this years coverage, and are apparently taking him on to be involved in their future cycling/ tour coverage.
Chris the Tall - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Paul249:

David Millar has talked very openly about doping, Vino has said absolutely nothing. There a whole bunch of cyclists found to have doped and these two are polar opposites in terms of their attitude. ITV4 even did an interview with Millar about it. Is the French guy Virenque ? Years of tearful denials, now doesn't talk about it.

Also Vino has never explained why he made large payments to rival cyclists just after he has beaten them in major races.
Liam M - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> Team in complete disarray - unlike Tinko-Saxoff who've recovered to take a couple of stages. Big shame for G that he had to give up his chances on stage 5 to rescue Porte and has been on domestique duties almost every day since. And yet he could still be only the 5th (?) Brit to finish in the top 20 !

The FdJ scooter has been fairly active for the last couple of days, so maybe Brailsford is hoping something can come of it today to salvage their tour.
Bob Hughes - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Liam M:

Kiryienka's putting in a sterling performance with a 1 minute 50 lead in a solo break
balmybaldwin - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I see there is now a racism row brewing in the tour... just as we finally get some representation from non-whites.

Always a bit surprised that someone hasn't found a few good Kenyans that would compete well as cyclists
Bob Hughes - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

what's the tour racism?
biped - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> David Millar has talked very openly about doping, Vino has said absolutely nothing. There a whole bunch of cyclists found to have doped and these two are polar opposites in terms of their attitude. ITV4 even did an interview with Millar about it. Is the French guy Virenque ? Years of tearful denials, now doesn't talk about it.

> Also Vino has never explained why he made large payments to rival cyclists just after he has beaten them in major races.

Yep, it was Virenque that Imlach referred to. He, Vinokourov and Bjaarne 'big ring' Riis are a different bag eels to Millar. Imlach's commentary is brilliant: "You have to wonder if an assurance from the likes of Vinokourov is worth the French it's mumbled in."
biped - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to balmybaldwin:

> I see there is now a racism row brewing in the tour...

I hope this isn't the death knell of the thread.

Mr Fuller on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:
I'd kick any of the unrepentant dopers out of the sport completely, including management, and those involved with teams, such as the doctors of the '90s.

Saxo Tinkoff don't do themselves many favours with Vino in charge and what seems like a result-obsessed team manager. The guy winning today raised my suspicions with his attacks, perhaps more-so because of his team. I hope I'm wrong.
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Liam M - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Mr Fuller: Do you mean Bjarne Riis ( who is the manager of Tinkhoff Saxo) or Alexander Vinikourov who manages Astana? Both have dodgy pasts (managers not necessarily teams), but Majka rides for TS.
nufkin - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I'd have thought there might be some sort of peleton code in these situations where you don't steal a win from someone who's been out at front for an entire race. Seemed like the noble thing would have been to let those cross the line, then skirmish for third.

Maybe I'm too sentimental
andreas on 23 Jul 2014 - 213.205.241.179 whois?
In reply to nufkin:

> I'd have thought there might be some sort of peleton code in these situations where you don't steal a win from someone who's been out at front for an entire race. Seemed like the noble thing would have been to let those cross the line, then skirmish for third.

> Maybe I'm too sentimental

It wouldn't be a real win in that case. As much as I enjoy seeing a breakaway succeed it drives me nuts when the peleton let's them go, ruins all the excitement.
Bob Hughes - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to nufkin:

are you talking about Kiryienka? Great ride and it was a real pity they caught him but there was still 22 km to go when they did catch up so holding back for the last 22km would have been beyond the call of sportsmanship I think.

It's a bit different when they catch someone on or near the line like Bauer the other day - that did seem cruel. Although a few stages back Nibs showed class by letting someone who had been out from for a good while roll over first and win the stage
andreas on 23 Jul 2014 - 213.205.241.179 whois?
In reply to Bob Hughes:

> are you talking about Kiryienka? Great ride and it was a real pity they caught him but there was still 22 km to go when they did catch up so holding back for the last 22km would have been beyond the call of sportsmanship I think.

> It's a bit different when they catch someone on or near the line like Bauer the other day - that did seem cruel. Although a few stages back Nibs showed class by letting someone who had been out from for a good while roll over first and win the stage

Maybe the odd GC contender might let someone go but every other man in the race is desperate to win a stage, and most never will. It's cruel to watch for sure but I think it'd be a much duller sport if everyone didn't try to win.

balmybaldwin - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob Hughes:
sorry forgot the link: http://road.cc/content/news/124595-europcar-boss-accuses-michael-albasini-racism


If true (and provable) this should be punished in a very harsh way as a example - its the last thing the sport needs
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mark s - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Mr Fuller:

> The guy winning today raised my suspicions with his attacks, perhaps more-so because of his team. I hope I'm wrong.


i watched one rider stay in his seat today whilst others were on the pedels.obviously doping,hope im wrong

Mr Fuller on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Liam M:

Yeah, you're right I got the dodgy managers mixed up. 'Mr 50%' is hardly a saint either. I'd ban them both.
Mike Highbury - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Mr Fuller:

> Yeah, you're right I got the dodgy managers mixed up. 'Mr 50%' is hardly a saint either. I'd ban them both.

50%, if only .
Mr Fuller on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Mike Highbury:

Exactly.

It's usually about this time in a tour that someone (often in the last couple of years someone who's not done anything anyway) tests positive, so we will see.

I do like how this year, as in the past two or three, people seem human: they have good days, they have bad days, and no one is just steam-rolling the field. Nibali is dominant but not overly-so, and though his attacks are vicious, he often slows it down afterwards and people recover.
Chris the Tall - on 23 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob Hughes:

> Kiryienka's putting in a sterling performance with a 1 minute 50 lead in a solo break

Was caught on the penultimate climb. I thought he might get the combativity prize, which I think would have been the first time a Sky rider has been on the podium in the tour, but no, they gave it to Roman Bardet.

I see G dropped down today - may mean he is going to attack tomorrow. Then again, maybe not
Captain Fastrousers - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Mr Fuller:


> Saxo Tinkoff don't do themselves many favours with Vino in charge and what seems like a result-obsessed team manager.

Why is this a bad thing (the results-obsessed I mean, doping is obviously an unsupportable stain)?

I know similar criticisms have been levelled at David Brailsford. I would have thought that as long as everything is above board then that's the point of sport.

I agree that some ways of winning are more laudable than others, but even if you do have a tendency to win by tactics that are bit borderline (perhaps I should say body line), the nature of cycling is such that eventually it'll come back and haunt you with a peloton that flatly refuses to work with you under any circumstances.

Not trying to start a fight here, just curious if you have any particular instances where Vino crossed the line without actually cheating.
Chris the Tall - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

So what do we think of Majka tugging on the moto ? Youthful exuberance or blatant cheating? I was expecting a 20 second penalty and wondered if it was going to cost him the stage. At least we can be sure that the penalty was more than the benefit, unlike Froome last year.
Mr Fuller on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Captain Fastrousers:

No you're right, I wrote that in haste and got confused in the process. I meant Tinkoff himself, who in the brief interviews I have seen of him, seems obsessive about results and nothing else - not the welfare of the riders, anti-doping, etc.. I may be reading it all wrong of course, and I am sure at an elite level of sport there is always going to be a lot of perform-perform-perform or you wouldn't get anywhere. He's not done anything against the rules that I know of.
Bob Hughes - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

youthful exuberance more than blatant cheat - it didn't have any effect on the result. On the other hand I do think they should give him a penalty since this kind of thing shouldn't be discretionary.
AlisonSmiles - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to mark s:

You might find it interesting to read up around that subject. If you can persevere with the training, build strength in the right areas, in the saddle is a more efficient way to climb. So I hear. Mind you, we're all made differently and I'm puny enough that for some hills if I don't get out of saddle there's no way I can get enough weight on the pedals to make them move.
Bob Hughes - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I've just looked at the team classifications - Sky have been playing a canny quiet game since they lost Froome - they're 4th in the team classification.

Tinkoff-Saxo is down in 12th and they've won 3 stages
Chris the Tall - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Bob Hughes:

First place in the team standings means you get to stand on the podium in Paris, but as a prize it's small beer. 4th place means diddly squat. 3 stages wins in the tour is a good return - 3 in 3 days is exceptional
Chris the Tall - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to AlisonSmiles:

I hear you have a new job. Congrats and, erm, good luck !
Christheclimber - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Majka was impressive again yesterday. I think it was youthful exuberance. Wonder if he can do it again today? (I mean win not pull on the moto)
Hat Dude on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I wonder if Sir Dave would rather be trackside in Glasgow right now, doing his old job?
Liam M - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber: I think they may be more interested in marking out Rodriguez - they may want the break to stay away as that will pretty much guarantee Majka the mountains jersey.
Christheclimber - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Liam M:

Mr Nibbles wins stage 18 and now leads by 7 minutes 10 seconds over Pinot, dominating the TDF. He should be able to drink champagne all the way to Paris. (Not seen highlights yet)
Bob Hughes - on 24 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

When do they put The highlights on itvplayer
Captain Fastrousers - on 25 Jul 2014
In reply to Mr Fuller:

Thanks for the clarification. I entirely agree with you about Oleg Tinkov; his public comments about Contador's commitment earlier this were deeply unnecessary and unprofessional. If he had concerns he should have aired them in private.

He seemed a bit more supportive after Contador's crash so maybe Riis managed to reel him in a bit.
Chris the Tall - on 25 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

Nibbles said a few months ago that he planned attempting the giro-tour double next year. Sounded ridiculous at the time, but a bit less so now. Been a very impressive ride
James Gilbert on 25 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:

> Yep, it was Virenque that Imlach referred to. He, Vinokourov and Bjaarne 'big ring' Riis are a different bag eels to Millar. Imlach's commentary is brilliant: "You have to wonder if an assurance from the likes of Vinokourov is worth the French it's mumbled in."

Although Jalabert is commentating on the France Télévision channels, so doping doesn't seem to be too much of a barrier to a TV career... not that he's ever admitted it, of course.
Alun - on 25 Jul 2014
In reply to biped:
> Yep, it was Virenque that Imlach referred to. He, Vinokourov and Bjaarne 'big ring' Riis are a different bag eels to Millar. Imlach's commentary is brilliant: "You have to wonder if an assurance from the likes of Vinokourov is worth the French it's mumbled in."

I agree. I think its commendable that broadcast journalists are taking the mild risk of demonstrating that they also know what we all know, but are careful enough to not say it so blatantly that they get a lawyer chasing them.

re. whoever made the comment about Millar on ITV: anybody who knows anything about cycling will know that there is light years of difference between David Millar and Richard Virenque.
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Christheclimber - on 26 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

Should be interesting but is a big ask.
Chris the Tall - on 26 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

I was expecting to see Valverde moving up to second today, as it is he's only just hanging on to 4th. Can't say I'm upset
James Gilbert on 26 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

He's looked quite vulnerable over the last few days, whenever he wasn't surrounded by teammates, so I'm not too surprised. Very pleased about the French 2nd & 3rd places, you'd have got good odds on that before the start of the Tour!
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nrhardy - on 26 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> I was expecting to see Valverde moving up to second today, as it is he's only just hanging on to 4th. Can't say I'm upset

+1 :-)
andy - on 26 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:
The brilliant thing about the Tour - the GC was decided yonks ago (I wonder if Contador would've done Nibbles anyway - pretty certain Froome wouldn't have), but the race for the podium was awesome today - so glad Peraud has done it, even with the bike swap. Money on a French winner in the next 2/3 years?
Chris the Tall - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to andy:

Interesting chart on prize money shows just how bad a tour it was for Sky - down amongst the wild cards

http://inrng.tumblr.com/post/93091825923/the-final-count-of-the-prize-money-won-by-teams-in

But I don't see how you can be certain that Froome would have lost out to Nibbles - after all, on previous form you would have expected Peraud, Pinot, Bardet, TJvG to be that sort of distance behind Nibbles - Pinot was 8'04 down at last years Vuelta, and 8'15 down at the tour !

Of course Froome may not have been on his 2013 form - his team certainly weren't - but we'll never know and it the end it doesn't matter
andy - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:
I just thought Froome looked crap in the Dauphinee, whereas last year he looked awesome. Also not sure if the team was up to it this time - I don't think he's got the ability (as Nibbles appears to have) to survive without team-mates. Just saw the pic of Astana yesterday - all 9 riders still in - was surprised at that as Nibbles seemed to only have a couple of riders with him at best.
Chris the Tall - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to andy:

Froome looked like winning the Dauphine until he crashed. We've no idea whether that crash would have affected him - physically or mentally - at the tour, but it was an indication that his bike-handling skills are a weakness. Not that they were to blame for his crash on stage 4 - that was sheer bad luck.

The time gap that Nibbles took on stage 5 put pressure on Bertie and may have been a factor in his crash, maybe Froome would have done the same, but nothing is certain.
Christheclimber - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Chris the Tall:

> Froome looked like winning the Dauphine until he crashed. We've no idea whether that crash would have affected him - physically or mentally - at the tour, but it was an indication that his bike-handling skills are a weakness. Not that they were to blame for his crash on stage 4 - that was sheer bad luck.

> The time gap that Nibbles took on stage 5 put pressure on Bertie and may have been a factor in his crash, maybe Froome would have done the same, but nothing is certain.

Lets hope next years TDF is more interesting and closely fought!


Enty - on 28 Jul 2014
In reply to Christheclimber:

> Lets hope next years TDF is more interesting and closely fought!

Yep - be careful what you wish for. Brad's win by far the best tour for many years.

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Minneconjou Sioux - on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Yep - be careful what you wish for. Brad's win by far the best tour for many years.

> E

+1
Liam M - on 29 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Yep - be careful what you wish for. Brad's win by far the best tour for many years.

> E

Tommy V donning his mask of suffering whilst desperately trying to hang on to yellow made for a good event the year before.

I think if you exclude top spot this hasn't been a bad Tour for desperate attempts to make time on each other from podium hopefuls and KoM was aggressively contested. Even if he romped away Nibali seemed to do it with flair.
notaclue - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to Enty:

> Yep - be careful what you wish for. Brad's win by far the best tour for many years.

> E

I assume you are being sarcastic?

The most boring tour ever when he won - this year was so much more exciting with a winner who actually rode like a winner throughout the tour and attacked
TomPollock - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to notaclue:
> (In reply to Enty)
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> I assume you are being sarcastic?
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> - this year was so much more exciting with a winner who actually rode like a winner throughout the tour and attacked

Agreed. I really enjoyed Brads win but the last 2 years have been much more interesting.
Ramblin dave - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to TomPollock:

> Agreed. I really enjoyed Brads win but the last 2 years have been much more interesting.

Really? For about the last fortnight there's been pretty much no possibility of anyone getting close to Nibbles, he's ended up with the biggest time gap in about 15 years, the most stage wins by a legit winner in 20 years and the most stages in yellow since Eddie Mercx. For the last two weeks we were basically left trying to care about who'd get second and third and how long Nibbles was going to leave it before dropping everyone this time. It's impressive, certainly - I don't want to be one of those people who moans about sportspeople for being too good - but hardly exciting...
Skipinder - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

Not even The Jensie's escapades???
notaclue - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

Even with the certainty he still attacked - the last day in the Pyrenees was really exciting with his amazing attack and the battle for 2nd and third

When Wiggins won it was just Sky doing a load of work and getting him to the line - pretty dull and soon became predictable
Guy - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to Ramblin dave:

Got to be a good tour when Valverde gets booted from the podium on the last mountain stage :-)
Ramblin dave - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to notaclue:
> Even with the certainty he still attacked

But someone attacking isn't that exciting in itself - there's a difference between a dramatic showdown with a strong contender trying to claw back some time on the race leader, and someone with an already unassailable lead riding into an even more unassailable lead by attacking a bunch of people who we're pretty sure by now won't be able to keep up with them.
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Enty - on 30 Jul 2014
In reply to notaclue:

> I assume you are being sarcastic?

Not at all. Loved every minute of it knowing what he was going through and that feeling for the first time in years that most of the big hitters were clean.

> The most boring tour ever when he won - this year was so much more exciting with a winner who actually rode like a winner throughout the tour and attacked

I'm with Rambling Dave on this one - maybe even a bit stronger - but after the first week, this year's tour was shite - so much so I didn't panic about getting home from the ride to watch.

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