In reply to mike kann:
> The pivot, I'm not sure. I seems to work pretty well, but I can't help but feel it misses the point - its not an "autolocker" (I know they're not autolockers but you know what I mean, so its really just assisted braking, so its not going to appeal to sports climbers on the basis of the nonlocking thing,
The Gri-Gri isn't an auto-locker either. It's assisted braking as well, look on the website. I suspect the the DMM Grip, which is what I assume you're talking about, will work in the same way as the Gri-Gri does, i.e. effectively lock the rope off. But they can't say that as it's not accurate. There's probably standards governing how you term these things, I'd imagine.